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Old 08-01-2010, 03:33 AM
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chainplates, doeas this work?

Yesterday i was looking on a boat that is for sale, good plastic but else like a wreck. The owner off the boat have made some new chainplates that he have laminated on to the boat.

The thing is, i have never seen chainplates like this, and i simply wonder if this is a method that "can be used" and do you think it wll hold the loads?

He have reinforced the hull with aprox 1cm glassfibre and guess epoxi, and then before it dried he bolted the chainplate through the hull with 4 bolts, so the chainplate is recessed aprox 2mm into the reinforcement.

Is this really a valid construction method for chainplattes?
A bad photo, but maybe it will help you understand the construction.


I have not bought the boat yet, so i'm thankful for fast replies.
Regards Brorsan
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Old 08-01-2010, 08:55 AM
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questions:

-was there a chainplate in that area before?
-will the surrounding polyester be enough to withstand the load?
-have the bolts been embedded sufficiently

Although I do not feel there went a lot of thought into this "project", I guess it might hold just fine, at least if the shear forces will not break the bolts.

I guess he used polyester, as he used CSM mat.
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Old 08-01-2010, 09:32 AM
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I hope the old chainplates where located at the same place, but i dont know, There was no "old" chainplate hole in the deck, so i think they must be on the same place as the old one.

If i gets out of my mind (might happend) and actualy buy this piece of junk, maybe i could lay one layer of glassfibre (the weaved sort) and epoxi on the inside of the chainplate, so it use both sides of the plate to get the load to the hull, and maybe make the area of the covering glass and epoxi bigger then the poliester reinforcement he has done. What do you think?

Thank you for your help.
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Old 08-08-2010, 04:54 PM
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How is the load on the bolt heads supported on the outside of the hull?

I have seen a similar method used without the bolts, but a horizontal, welded to the bottom of the chain plate and embedded in the hull layup, wet on wet I assume. These boats have lasted 30+ years & raced hard with no failures that I know of.
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:28 AM
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I hope the old chainplates where located at the same place, but i dont know, There was no "old" chainplate hole in the deck, so i think they must be on the same place as the old one.

If i gets out of my mind (might happend) and actualy buy this piece of junk, maybe i could lay one layer of glassfibre (the weaved sort) and epoxi on the inside of the chainplate, so it use both sides of the plate to get the load to the hull, and maybe make the area of the covering glass and epoxi bigger then the poliester reinforcement he has done. What do you think?

Thank you for your help.
Before covering the plate with fiberglass consider that leaving it exposed allows you to inspect and prove its condition from time to time. Chain plates embedded in pockets of glass that can accumulate moisture may suffer from crevice corrosion. Without a means to inspect them your only clue may be when they pull out
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Old 08-09-2010, 02:09 PM
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Before covering the plate with fiberglass consider that leaving it exposed allows you to inspect and prove its condition from time to time. Chain plates embedded in pockets of glass that can accumulate moisture may suffer from crevice corrosion. Without a means to inspect them your only clue may be when they pull out
I agree. Rather build up behind the plate.with epoxy & glass. (uni- both ways or
Db) Still curious to the outside?
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Old 08-11-2010, 03:24 PM
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thank you for your thoughts and advises. The bolts on the outside of the hull are with a radius of about 1cm.
Think i will pass on the boat after all, it is simply too baadly maintained for te price asked for it. Thank you again
/Brorsan
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