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Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by WindRaf, Dec 11, 2014.

  1. WindRaf
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    Windraf,

    You're on solid ground with the Riva. Iconic beauty.

    Dino
     
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    Still trying to defend what you don't know? How about defending your previous assertions, like this not being a staysail schooner

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    before you move into a new area where you lack understanding. Agreed Dino, the Riva is a classic.
     
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    That is for sure a beautiful staysail schooner Par.
     
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    Easy Steve or you too, may find the wrath of Wind upon you . . . ;)
     
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    there's nothing to defend, is that someone wants to call 'schooner' a brigantine with topsail yards to haul down on the deck and the square sails keeps in the hold.
    The question is, dear pundits, if I remove the mizzen in bad weather in a ketch, I'm surfing on a sloop? or on a ketch?
    Here someone wants call schooner a boat inspired by a type of sailing ship that existed when the schooner did not exist.

    Every real expert knows that the typology of a boat is not determined only by its sailing rig.
    But maybe this is too much difficult to understand.
     
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    Luca 2:14 Gloria a Dio ne’ luoghi altissimi, pace in terra fra gli uomini ch’Egli gradisce!


    Luke 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
     
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    look at posts 16 - 17
     
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    Thanks. Those I can see.
     
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    Look a toy schooner (above), much like the logic you've employed in your description of rig types (below).

    Okay, I'll bite, so pray tell Mr. "real expert" how else is a schooner not a schooner. In other words, other than the rig particularities, what else defines this type.

    Nope, it's still a ketch, just under reduced sail. Just like, "a schooner is a cutter, with a mast in the middle of the fore triangle". If you were the "expert" you seem to think you are, then you'd recognize this famous NA's quote, which BTW is entirely correct from a geometric point of view, assuming typical schooner proportions.
     
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