4 Meter mono foiler project

What don't you like about unstayed masts or specifically what don't you like about using one on your boat?

[wind_apparent]

Originally Posted by Doug Lord

What don't you like about unstayed masts or specifically what don't you like about using one on your boat?

The fact that its an unknown is the biggest drawback, right now this project has so many unknowns I don't feel the need to add one more. You have a history with unstayed rigs from you past project, I do not, I'm not saying that they are a bad idea or that it wouldn't be a good add, I'm just saying, maybe next time, because I don't really need to be adding yet one more thing to my plate. I'll see how it works on your project, then maybe see if its worth looking into, just you saying it is isn't enough of a reason for me.

Right now I plan to use a contender mast, (the same one Marcus Hamilton (AUS2323) just used to win the worlds), It has a known flex, I know where I'm going to put the stays and the proder, I know it can handle the sail area (about the same as the contender), I know it can handle the trap. If I break one I can get another just like it in a week, I won't have to spend a bunch more time with a big redesign of my mast step area. Really, I don't see it being that big of an upgrade on this proto boat, I can only think of two plus's (not smacking the stays with my face, maybe less windage,) and a bunch of minuses (everything I wrote above).

so develop it, make it work, then maybe I'll steal the idea from you.

Sam

[Paul B]

Originally Posted by Chris Ostlind

Are the Antrim Sportboats monoslugs? (and Paul don't start another harangue of yours or I'll wack your privates with a ruler ;-) )

Never sacked up to make that call and ask those two simple questions, eh?

[Paul B]

Originally Posted by Doug Lord

Mr. Ostlind ,monoslug was meant to be humorous. I'll refrain from using the term most of the time.

This post is a perfect microcosm of the Drug Lord's sailing presence on the internet. Two photos of foiling boats he had nothing to do with, and a photo of a model boat not foiling.

By the way Druggie, why don't you tell us all about the intellectual property rights issue with that model you keep posting photos of?

[Paul B]

Originally Posted by Doug Lord

"Paul B" ,you anonomous *******: your constant use of "Drug Lord" is not only offensive but juvenile and your LYING reference to my first fullsize foiler not foiling is blatant ********. You are a complete,gutless,ignorant scumbag.

Everyone across the internet knows about your lies and tantrums. You forget the lies you tell, and that later trips you up.

Why don't you tell us about all the psychotropics you are not on.

I spent the afternnon messing about on my boat. I'll spend the next few days out sailing. You'll no doubt spend the time sitting around looking at the internet hoping someone will believe something you say. Have fun.

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Originally Posted by Doug Lord

I apologize to other forum members and particularly to Sam for the ugliness of this post. But I have tried everything I could think of except fighting back. I absolutely will not put up with this slander and outright lying regarding my name and my work. If some think this is entertaining I think you're sick-but rest assured as long as this continues so will my response. I'm sick and tired of it!

I think I can hear the feet stamping from here.

Can you list all the things you "tried" before fighting back?

By the way, I have never slandered you:

slander (harmful statement in a transitory form, especially speech) and libel[4][5] (harmful statement in a fixed medium, especially writing but also a picture, sign, or electronic broadcast),

Actually, I've never libeled you either. You are a world famous liar.

[Chris Ostlind]

Originally Posted by Paul B

Never sacked up to make that call and ask those two simple questions, eh?

Paulie, my sweet and gentle boy. Take the time to look at my post once again and note, carefully, the dumb little smiley face at the end of the comment. Now, if you feel you really need to go off while fighting all your Sancho Panza battles when someone is making a very small bit of humor... why head-on, big boy and get that lance of yours up and proud. You'll be doing it all alone because nobody else gives crap.

It will be amusing, though, to see you joust alone while trying to bust Doug's nut, once again, over nothing tangible.

I never took you for a self-flaggelator, but hey, to each his own. Now where did I put that ruler...?

[Chris Ostlind]

Originally Posted by wind_apparent

Chris is this directed at me?

Probably not in the way you are wondering. The reference to things taking so long is more about the numbers of posts on the thread to this point. That is also a representation of a passage of time.

I'd hardly be the guy to bump someone for taking too long getting to the shop and moving forward.

Chris

[wind_apparent]

Originally Posted by Chris Ostlind

I'd hardly be the guy to bump someone for taking too long getting to the shop and moving forward.

Don't you worry, once winter comes I'm going to "live" in the garage.

Words of wisdom (from Steve Clark in the DC thread on DA) to consider when designing your foils-particularly when choosing foil area:
"Sailing boat designers have had to focus on down speed efficiency because that is where races are won. It is more important to go a bit faster sooner than to go a bit faster later. For example in the foiling Moths everyone is focused on being the first to foil, not necessarily who foils the fastest in force 5. Even in force 5 managing the down speed maneuvers ( tacking and maintaining/regaining foiling speed) is probably more critical than speed in the open field. "

[wind_apparent]

I was reading that this morning, Its one of only two threads I subscribe to on SA. they where talking about spray related drag. good stuff, if it makes you feel any better, my latest rhino foil designs had an area of 1.49 sqf for the main foil. ( I also have a set in the works for high wind speed trials that are 1.36 )

[wind_apparent]

(from my blog)

Well, after working on my mould frame structures for a little while, I've decided that they aren't going to work very well, (that's what I get for trying something that's unproven). Oh well, it was only a couple of sheets of MDF, could have been worse. So I spent yesterday redrawing the deck mould structure to take old school vertical strongbacks, hope to redraw the Hull structure today to do the same. here's a pic of the new deck structure .

[yachtyakka]

Originally Posted by wind_apparent

WOW............I'm tired of playing ref on this thread, and I would maybe try to stop everyone from derailing it, but its getting so funny . The best part it that the design has already been completed, the plans have been sent to the CNC, and construction has already started, I'm not changing a thing......ha ha ha ha ha ha (sinister laugh).

Good, save any changes for MK11. get on a build the puppy. trail it break it fix it sail it fly it. remember photos or it didn't happen

[wind_apparent]

Originally Posted by yachtyakka

Good, save any changes for MK11. get on a build the puppy. trail it break it fix it sail it fly it. remember photos or it didn't happen

I'm not changing the boat, It's the moulds, if they aren't right, the hull will be off, or at least I'm going to be doing alot more sanding to get it fared just right. I'm going to have all winter to work on this puppy, can't sail around where I live till about mid-May. Call me crazy, but I think its better to get it right in the beginning then try to fix it down the road. (And I know about pix=proof, I have a camera and plan to use it. )

[yachtyakka]

Originally Posted by wind_apparent

I'm not changing the boat, It's the moulds, if they aren't right, the hull will be off, or at least I'm going to be doing alot more sanding to get it fared just right. I'm going to have all winter to work on this puppy, can't sail around where I live till about mid-May. Call me crazy, but I think its better to get it right in the beginning then try to fix it down the road. (And I know about pix=proof, I have a camera and plan to use it. )

can't wait

You live somewhere you cant sail all year! every week!! Crazy, just as well you have the web and can watch the movies. Do you know about the RClass from NZ?

[wind_apparent]

Originally Posted by yachtyakka

You live somewhere you cant sail all year! every week!! Crazy, just as well you have the web and can watch the movies. Do you know about the RClass from NZ?

Unfortunately its true, when winter comes it snows and the lakes freeze, but it gives me the opportunity to go snowboarding. And yes, Youtube sailing vids are my friend. (I hope to move somewhere more sailboat friendly this summer, so I have that to look forward to) I don't know anything about the "R" class, have some info or a link?

(picture from my porch, 2/14/08)