16-18' "Sit-in" Planing Monohull ("Trapwing")

[bistros]

Originally Posted by Doug Lord

Interesting information "bistros". As I said-within at least 1000 miles of me beam would generally not be a problem. And those that say its a problem on a course may be wrong:
--49er-beam 9' + 6' crew on wire= beam overall=15'
--Tornado-beam 10' + 6' crew on wire=boa=16'
--I-14-beam 6' + 6' on wire= boa=12'
--505 beam 6'2" +6' on wire=boa=12'2"
And thats only a few of the boats regularly racing with overall beam 12' or more when sailing....

Interesting response. I did not raise any issues about the boat on a race course.

You asked about possible issues with excessive beam - and I brought up a set of real life problems. The other boats you mention do fit (without someone on the trap) easily within normal Yacht Club facilities ... your trapwing/tri-with-pods doesn't. 12' of static beam (with no one on a trap) is not within the boat size clubs are designed for, especially here in inland locations. Comparing a boat with 12' of static beam to others usually well under 8' isn't reasonable. Yes, the Tornado is 10' wide - but we've only got two of them and given their removal from the Olympics they will decline quickly.

Launching and retrieval are real issues that must be endured every time the boat is used.

Why are you responding with a defense for a question not even asked?

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Bill

[bistros]

Originally Posted by Paul B

Because that's the point of the question.

This isn't the first time this guy has done this. He will often have the need to "educate" us, so he will ask a straw man question. That gives him the opportunity to pontificate when people make the mistake of thinking the question is valid and respond.

Normal people ask questions to get information. Some people seem to have psychological problems and ask leading questions with canned responses teed up. It makes them feel superior, I suppose, or at least battles against the feelings of inferiority or failure. Sometimes they even have to fire off their canned response if no one actually replies in the way they anticipated.

I know. I brought up the launch/retrieval issues long ago (well before Steve Clark) and they were dismissed/ignored out of hand. I find it fascinating just how monomaniacal Doug can be on one of these "ideas" in the face of all logic and reality. He's really an interesting study.

People recently labeled Doug a "troll" in the usual Internet forum sense, but I really think he is different. Unlike most trolls who generate conflict for the joy of conflict, Doug seems to truly believe in his ideas without reservation (kind of religious fanatic-style belief). I can't comprehend how he shrugs off logic, experience and science without effort. He's like Jim Jones and he's drinking his own Kool Aid. What is even more surprising is that he actually build a boat that was easily predictable as a failure (aeroSKIFF(tm)), spent real money on foils and carbon tubing, and has mentally rejigged the obvious failure as a success at foiling. That's likely serious money for someone who doesn't appear to have a serious career (except 24x7 web surfing).

Doug appears to be at least partially down the same road on his new boat(?) He's got a single catamaran hull, parts from the failed aeroSKIFF(tm) and a whole slew of new overly-complex schemes he wants to incorporate in a mix and match fashion. It is like he learned nothing from the first failure and he's following the same path again to the same destination. Simplifying issues and pursuing incremental progress isn't in his modus operandi. If Doug played poker, he'd go "All In" on every hand.

At least Doug's obsession is foiling and he isn't going to easily hurt anyone but himself. It sure is interesting to watch him though.

Originally Posted by bistros

Interesting response. I did not raise any issues about the boat on a race course.

Why are you responding with a defense for a question not even asked?

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Bill

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I've been thinking a lot about this and some time ago Steve Clark had commented on the problems that might be encountered on a race course with a 12' wide boat.
Your comments will have validity in some locations but not many(and not at all to me)-also I think it would be possible to launch this thing(keelbboat version) with the wing skewed a bit to make it narrower.

Originally Posted by bistros

I know. I brought up the launch/retrieval issues long ago (well before Steve Clark) and they were dismissed/ignored out of hand. I find it fascinating just how monomaniacal Doug can be on one of these "ideas" in the face of all logic and reality. He's really an interesting study.

People recently labeled Doug a "troll" in the usual Internet forum sense, but I really think he is different. Unlike most trolls who generate conflict for the joy of conflict, Doug seems to truly believe in his ideas without reservation (kind of religious fanatic-style belief). I can't comprehend how he shrugs off logic, experience and science without effort. He's like Jim Jones and he's drinking his own Kool Aid. What is even more surprising is that he actually build a boat that was easily predictable as a failure (aeroSKIFF(tm)), spent real money on foils and carbon tubing, and has mentally rejigged the obvious failure as a success at foiling. That's likely serious money for someone who doesn't appear to have a serious career (except 24x7 web surfing).

Doug appears to be at least partially down the same road on his new boat(?) He's got a single catamaran hull, parts from the failed aeroSKIFF(tm) and a whole slew of new overly-complex schemes he wants to incorporate in a mix and match fashion. It is like he learned nothing from the first failure and he's following the same path again to the same destination. Simplifying issues and pursuing incremental progress isn't in his modus operandi. If Doug played poker, he'd go "All In" on every hand.

At least Doug's obsession is foiling and he isn't going to easily hurt anyone but himself. It sure is interesting to watch him though.

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You know you really don't have a clue what you're talking about. And whats worse- to fill in the blanks of your own understanding- you simply make stuff up. Amazing....

Originally Posted by bistros

You asked about possible issues with excessive beam - and I brought up a set of real life problems. Launching and retrieval are real issues that must be endured every time the boat is used.

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Bill

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I responded to your observations by pointing out that they will have no effect-as best I can tell-in my use of the boat. Since it's not a production boat I don't see the relevance of your comments to me.