10 to 30 % fuel saving with much lower emission, for or against ?

[kistinie]

WATER

Almost whatever the way you inject water into an engine, you will get a benefit

This is real
This is now
This works

For cooling and avoiding auto combustion off high compression and compressed engines
By mixing water and fuel
This works but this is the past


water must be recycled as much as possible in the engine.
splitting H² and O² with exhaust heat in a gillier pantone type reactor that gives you up to 40% more mileage and low pollution as well as a power and torque gain
Best of both worlds !
I am pretty sure the gain could be much higher with an improved technology...look at the primitive way it is done, compare to the results ! 30% gain in most cases with level o technology !
Just imagine a high tech giller pantone reactor with a computer to control the process


And for tomorrow
... plenty other smart things all water based, most being based on quantum physic effects ! A different energy is possible and accessible TODAY with simple devices.

Learn it, and do it
All this works, i do it on my own stationary engines, my neighbours cars have it, this is true and verified, not an invention, fishermen boats, tractors , industry dumpers... even GOV support it, and what about you ?

Get some info down there, good bath !

General
#7

Examples and a little theory
#35


Water is not dirty
water is life
water is energy

But think water is you
Please stop burning oil.
Use water as a quantum tank.

Rather go solar first as much as possible.
Kinetic energy is great too
water capacity effect with constant fields
and if you have no other choice it can be burnt with recycling


Anyway
One Gillier Pantone explained
http://quanthomme.free.fr/pantone/re.../details42.htm

[FAST FRED]

Water injection is 1930's tech for aircraft engines.

It was used on takeoff at max power to reduce detonation.

Alcohol was used as an antifreez in locations that needed to keep the injection water liquid.

The water injection did not add power , it allowed the power to be created with less chance of detonation .

A side bonus is cleaner exhaust valves and cylinder head.

Folks with high compression cars or sports bikes can be run at high idle , and will benefit from using an insect sprayer to spray water in the intake for 3-5 min.

Place a newspaper under the exhaust pipe and watch the carbon chunks collect!

FF

[kistinie]

yes you are right FF

But Gillier Pantone is much smarter than a basic water injection
Once heated the water vapour is turned into plasma and electrolysed by the stainless steel reactor.
This way you inject huge quantity of H² and O² as well as creating a quantum vortex if your piping in well done
Only the vortex effect is universel, burning water is efficient but painful to many religions
Burning water is a problem as it is burning us
But on another hand it revealed the vortex effect that is a true good thing !

So, again, only the quantum vortex effect should be used with recycled exhaust water.
A quantum distillation in fact

fantasy, sorry.

[CDK]

Originally Posted by FAST FRED

Water injection is 1930's tech for aircraft engines.

It was used on takeoff at max power to reduce detonation.

Alcohol was used as an antifreez in locations that needed to keep the injection water liquid.

The water injection did not add power , it allowed the power to be created with less chance of detonation .

A side bonus is cleaner exhaust valves and cylinder head.

Folks with high compression cars or sports bikes can be run at high idle , and will benefit from using an insect sprayer to spray water in the intake for 3-5 min.

Place a newspaper under the exhaust pipe and watch the carbon chunks collect!

FF

There once was a passenger car with water injection, the Studebaker Avanti.
Like you said just to allow a 12:1 compression without detonating the pistons to pieces. Because the car had an unorthodox shape for that era and when Studebaker closed down, the Avanti was continued by a small private company that silently disappeared after a couple of years.
A stillborn child, no serious company ever used the technology again.

[kistinie]

Originally Posted by mark775

fantasy, sorry.

More than 100 test have been done in France ...and 1000 would be more accurate
Mainly farmers do it, on big new tractors...
Do farmers often spend 1500€ add on on their new tractors, just to spend 1500 ? For no reward ?
Not in France
Same for fishermen, they save 1000. litre a week.
i have given proof of my statements, visit all the provided links from national TV networks TF1, FRANCE 3...
Have you done test and measures ?
What idea makes you think it is so ?
What is your experience ?


Fly here and check by yourself, be my guest, i will show you.
Film it all with me and broadcast it !
Cap !
Chiche !

You have no reason to be affraid, saving oil, saving burning it is a priority, so showing a device that seems to work is positive and coherent to our world aim.
if it is proved to be wrong, we will all be sad.
Else we will have done a good thing to reduce oil problem.
It is the aim, No ?

i also undertand that burning water is painfull to you.
Same for me that is why i said for or not

[mydauphin]

kistinie
Hybrid corsair


It doesn't matter how many threads you open on this. Or wikipedia entry. It doesn't alter laws of physics. It does not do as promised by you or other snake oil salesmans. Stop with the guerrilla marketing.

FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW - kistinie and others in this board are trying to sell you a bill of goods based on technology that is proven not to work.
Actually water injection is very old technology as mentioned. But as many years of test including by yours truly it does not add to the combustion process more than reducing detonation in a over compress/bad Gasoline engine. IT doesn't generate power nor does separating Hydrogen and oxygen and injecting does separately.

[mydauphin]

Originally Posted by kistinie

yes you are right FF

But Gillier Pantone is much smarter than a basic water injection
Once heated the water vapour is turned into plasma and electrolysed by the stainless steel reactor.
This way you inject huge quantity of H² and O² as well as creating a quantum vortex if your piping in well done

40% of water is an easy job, this with more power and less emission.
Fly to France and you will be able to see hundred of these motors, and check this by measures.

Water turned into Plasma.... On what planet???
Quantum vortex... What Universe??

kistinie - Hybrid corsair -- your dilithium crystals are overheating.... Phasers on stun...

[kistinie]

Ok no universe, no hybrid, no E.P.R, no CASIMIR, no quantum, no vortex, no black hole, no plasma, no sonoluminescence, no thermoacoustic, no orgon, no ehter, ...n0 overheating,n0 chemtrails, n0 haarp,
dilithium crystals are Ok captain !
Just...Vacuum


Can you show us some of your sources for what you claim ?
or give us a model, teach us why, demonstrating with evidences


it does work
The question is to burn or NOT water for 50% gain, worth the pain of burning water ?
burning can have bad taste.

[PAR]

Some one's been reading 1970's back issues of "Mother Earth News" again . . .

This is much like the "Famous Healers" that pray on fools in weird church settings and religious overtones. They place "hands" on poor helpless victims of some incurable illness and suddenly they're cured. It must be a miracle!

Lets say for a moment that only half of the above is true. Hell, let's be fair and say only 20% of the folks that come to be healed actually do get healed. Don't you think that a large corporate HMO or other medical industry giant, would have this "healer" in a multi-billion dollar contract in a New York minute. Well, of course they would, it's only good business sense, let alone good for public relations. Think of what their blue chip preferred would do the next day!

The same is true of the 100 MPG carburetors and the wonder devices attached to fuel lines with refrigerator magnets in them, that promise 20% more MPG and cleaner air too. If you're nice, I'll bet they'll keep your wife faithful too.

What corporation would jump at the chance to retro fit every engine with a "reactor" that increased fuel efficiency 50%.

Oh, please . . .

For what it's worth, I know who really killed JFK . . . send me a 20 dollar bill, in a self addressed envelope and I'll email the name . . . of course you'll have to sign a nondisclosure agreement to protect the innocent . . .

[kistinie]

Originally Posted by PAR

For what it's worth, I know who really killed JFK . . . send me a 20 dollar bill, in a self addressed envelope and I'll email the name . . . of course you'll have to sign a nondisclosure agreement to protect the innocent . . .

No thanks, really sorry
I sign the amendment to protect the innocent :-)) Better than nothing ?
Sorry again.


What corporation would jump at the chance to retro fit every engine with a "reactor" that increased fuel efficiency 50%.

Oh, please . . .
Be my gest,

sailor solidarity is unlimited like ether and C
infinite as ocean.

They will certainly do it:
Renault patent : N° 05300443.8 - 01/06/2005
Renault and PSA patent is a degraded version of Gillier Pantone, soon produced for cars
i hope it will use as much quantum energy as possible from water coming only from recycling
Quantum Effect will grow with the time
In this way, i like it

[PAR]

Is it a translation issue or does anyone else understand what this one is trying to say? Or, should I offer him a good price on the Everglades property I have?

Originally Posted by PAR

Is it a translation issue or does anyone else understand what this one is trying to say? Or, should I offer him a good price on the Everglades property I have?

To the former question: naturally not!
To the latter: a good idea Paul!

Regards
Richard

[mydauphin]

I also know who killed Hoffa, send mea self addressed envelop with $20 and for $100 more I will tell you where Blackbear's Treasure is. Has anyone made a boat with mash potato?

[PAR]

No, but I have shot boats with raw ones . . .