The Raid Boat

[Raggi_Thor]

My favourite hull form or building method at the moment:

[SeaSpark]

Agree on cabin, it does not add anything to the looks or useabilty, a boom tent is fine.

A cabin does keep the cockpit dry and provides some shelter when going to windward for crew. A small roof like on old dragons could help.

[SeaSpark]

Some nice video footage of raid boats in 25-30 knots wind conditions.
Worth watching:

http://wbeditor.typepad.com/rudderpo...den/index.html

[duluthboats]

Ragnar that is a nice looking hull. I have considered using a combination plywood panel and strip planking. But in my case the bottom would be plywood and the topsides would be stripped instead of cold molding.

SeaSpark, what is there to say, it will be a long while before I have the skill to attempt what is shown in the video. I have almost no sailing experience, but I plan to change that. Raiding may be in the distant future but one must have goals.

Gary

[Raggi_Thor]

Gary, don't you think a round bottom will row better?
I think minimum wetted surface is important for rowing and light wind sailing.

[SeaSpark]

I would prefer a multi chine plywood design. Three 3 chines per side?

A ply design with no glass sheeting is much easier to build for a not so experienced builder. I am afraid a novice builder will not be able to control weight in a strip plank building metheod.

[duluthboats]

Ragnar, it may be that both of these types of boats would individually benefit from a round bottom. The question is can the two be combined while maintaining stability and still have a nice round bottom?

SeaSpark, strip planking is very easy for a novice to learn. It may be more labor intensive but it allows you limitless shapes.

Gary

[Raggi_Thor]

Strip planking is a bit heavier than Okume plywood.
We used 8mm strips in the bottom + glass on both sides.
This made a total weight of approx 5kg/m2.
6mm Okume plywood is approx 3kg/m2.
I thought the extra strength in the bottom was good for beaching and trailering.

[Hans Friedel]

I just designed this boat for a guy who wanted a good rowing boat. You could add some small sails but I think you can row faster in most condition. Compared to sailing. If you race in a Raid like competition. Perticular if you have a sliding seat.



Hans

[safewalrus]

Ahr, the light dawns, your trying to make like oldtime pirates and swashbucklers and all that stuff without the fancy dress, no bad idea, in fact it sounds like fun! Due to lack of pre knowledge I won't be adding anything to this forum but by heck duluth buddy you got my immagination all fired up! will be reading a lot!!

[Sean Herron]

Hello...

I respect the 'Raider' concept and the people who created the 'movement'...

I am of Danish and German blood - and as such I remain stubbornly depressed and very angry about being so...

I have been mucking about with something that could find it's way into this bit...

See below...

Cheers everyone...

SH.

[duluthboats]

Sean, to row well I think you will need less beam. I also think it would be good if all the sail rigging could be stowed below the shear while being rowed to reduce wind resistance, so short sticks would be nice.

Gary

[SailDesign]

There is an interesting article about the Everglades Challenge 2006 in the latest Small Craft Advisor. This is a Raid-style competition, and an interesting read. Plan on finding a copy of SCA soon. www.smallcraftadvisor.com
Steve "no connection"

[Tad]

Every Raid is different; the ideal boat will depend on the venue. Most that I have seen pictures of give the impression that there is lots of wind during their event and thus little rowing. Here in the PNW there is little wind in early September and thus during the Shipyard Raid the emphasis is on rowing or rowing/sailing (both at once). The winner last year is very much a crossover boat, decent but not great at both rowing and sailing, and able to use both at once. Most other boats in the Raid could do one or the other.

My current thinking is more of the same, but with more horsepower in the sailing department. Below is the Barefoot 517, almost 17' by 6'6", with 230 sq. ft of sail and a hull weight of less that 400 pounds. If I get my way she will have asymmetric bilge boards and a retractable carbon bowsprit.

Tad

[duluthboats]

Here is another version from a well known designer. It certainly wins my vote for the 10lbs in a 5lb package award; it’s all there in a neat little boat. For some areas this might be the perfect boat to join a raid.

Gary