The Ideal Cruiser - a long range passagemaker

[kwb1312]

I suppose they know what they do (they designed the Allures too) , just when I saw the 3M keel the X-50 came into my mind with 3M keel too, but carries about 4,7T weight (Displ. 12,4T). So if you compare the ratios thats 0,24 vs 0,38. Quite a difference. Different type of boat too, of course.

[Vega]

Yes. I have no doubts about the inicial stability (the Azzuro hull will provide a lot more form stability) but you should take a look at the stability curve in what regards the AVS and the inverted stability.

If they provide you with a stability curve, I would like to take a look.

[Vega]

Originally Posted by kwb1312

I suppose they know what they do (they designed the Allures too) .....

They designed a lot more than that

I said they were reputable architects ...they have received a BOAT DESIGN NET- PROFESSIONAL DESIGN AWARD ( June 2001):

.... "
The designs of Berret-Racoupeau exemplify strength though simplicity and a subtle grace. Throughout their large yet cohesive body of work, their designs are clean, simple, and balanced, minimalist in such a way as to be perfect. Not a detail can be taken away nor a detail can be added; their designs are cleanly honed to a state of perfection."

http://www.boatdesign.net/archive/berret-racoupeau.htm

http://voilesnews.fr/fr/info_14_7657.html?nid=38000225

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...mark3524209523

[kwb1312]

"They designed a lot more than that"...you forgot the Beneteau Oceanis 50

Thank you for the links, Vega. If I get the stability curve of the Azzuro I will send it.

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by kwb1312

Guillermo,
Thanks for looking into. I dont have any drawings yet, maybe when I am visiting the yard I will get some.
As additional data I can only provide the following: Stix is 54, BWL is: 356 cm
The stated displacement is for an empty standard boat, so it will vary depending on equipment.
Hopefully that makes some sense if compared to your calculations.

If stated displacement is for lightship condition, probably the GZ curve is also draw for that condition and that would be why I'm getting so high STIX numbers (even coming down to a downflooding angle of 110º I get a figure over 58, not 54). If this is so, then that curve is not a normative one to calculate STIX and has to be taken with care.

I think all of us would appreciate very much if boatbuilders were more precise about the conditions for which the stability information is given.

I'll be very grateful if you provide me with the info you can get from the boatyard regarding stability. Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by kwb1312

...it would be naive to think the situation will be completely different in the yachting industry...

....Absolutely!

[masalai]

My two cents worth? Look seriously at a displacement power (cause I am old & lazy) cat. With narrow hulls, composite construction, 12m (39.37ft) waterline, modest engines should give 15knots and 1500 plus miles & lots of space with a beam of 21 feet. Weight is critical, definitely not good for "bower-birds" (accumulators of things - junk) but should allow 4.5 tonnes & 2 tonnes fuel ready to go. I am model testing at 1:10 scale now. direct contact OK

[edik]

As I always say, anybody can learn the skill to build a boat that will sail. But to build a pretty boat is a talent - not a skill. And Berret-Racoupeau design very pretty boats that sail well...