26mt timber ketch project

[orlops]

In 2005 I purchased a neglected but well designed and built 26mt x 6mt timber ketch. Using funds from the sale of a property I gutted then fully rebuilt the yacht for long range cruising. I had 3 months sailing then the yacht was docked when I got back into harness driving various projects.

The yacht is still docked in the Med and needs minor attention before relaunching plus due to injuries I had to rethink my plans.

I would like to put together a team of 3-4 yacht industry people, experienced sailing or keen to learn who could each buy a share of the yacht.

We can use the yacht commercially or privately and pool our combined skills commercially if opportunity is suitable.

Any ideas are welcome

[Landlubber]

My idea would be to not "invest" in this at all.

However, if you want to make a little money on the project, please feel free to invest, you will start with a lot of money and end with a little money, but if that is your desire, go for it.

[orlops]

"We do not know, what we do not know"
I suggest you complete your little logo with " and what we do not know we keep to ourselves"
Trouble with people that live so far from the "real" world is they lack the cahooneys to try instead they develop the ability to rubbish or knock what they themselves could never obtain

[watchkeeper]

Yeah right on orlops

Hate these bloody minded little twerps that think kicking ideas in the guts is progressive thinking.

Reading orlops post...why not. If I was 20yrs younger with some spare folding I'd be in...its not always about profit its about the pleasure of sharing an experience with mates and if it makes some money along the way go for it

[Landlubber]

Firstly, I am sorry that you both have to resort to abuse, but I guess that is your personalities, your problem , not mine.

However " and what we do not know we keep to ourselves"

Well you asked for comments, if I kept to myself what I know about the disasters of multiple ownership, i would not be able to contribute to the forum would I?

OK, let me explain my comments further.

Say . For instance I do "invest " my money into this project, please tell me ONE such project that has ever ended not in tears.

Sharing a boat, unless done by very close friends that have similar talents, is not a good idea, who pays for something when it busts, who is responsible for the day to day maintenance and conditioning of the 26m vessel, she is a full time job whan they get that big. This is no simple, tie it to the wharf and go home after use vessel, old woodenn boats need constant attention and care.

Costs for minor repairs can seem exorbitant if not done by the owner, and just how are they supposed to didstibute these costs fairly amongst themselves.

I have seen time share arrangements in Australia that have half a chance of survival because none of the "owners" do anythinmg, it is all managed and they get to use the boat on designated days and times.

Running an elderly vessely that way would amount to exorbinant fees, cheaper to fly somewhere and charter a nice boat of your cjoice than it would be to professionally maintaing an old one.

Please feel free to abuse me further.....I just hope you both can somehow make thing swork, but , for my understanding after 60 years playing with boats, is it is best to keep to yourself.

Originally Posted by Landlubber

Firstly, I am sorry that you both have to resort to abuse, but I guess that is your personalities, your problem , not mine.

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LUB´s

leave it,
what they do´nt know, we know, that we do´nt know if they are willing to share knowledge, or just look for some victims to share their cost. But what we know, and they do´nt know, we assume the latter to be true!

And a whole life has given proof that we have been almost right on that!

So, let them know what they know, and let us focus on the real (and honest) way of boat related problems again.

And, sorry newbies, this kind of opening makes you a very warm welcome in every gay pub worldwide! Blue Oyster Bar I personally recommend!

Regards
Richard

Originally Posted by watchkeeper

Reading orlops post...why not. If I was 20yrs younger with some spare folding I'd be in...its not always about profit its about the pleasure of sharing an experience with mates and if it makes some money along the way go for it

Invest.............. who holds you back? Share the pleasure of being cheated, robbed, shouted every time you ask for a proper bookkeeping. Share!!!
Share your experience then after....................... with us poor, mortal, ignorant idiots! OK?
And look carefully to whom you are shouting here, there are some centennials of experience accumulated, which are now not so easy to share with.

[watchkeeper]

Hey apex1

There's medication that can help you with your problem

Originally Posted by watchkeeper

Hey apex1

There's medication that can help you with your problem

Engineer your projects, you "PROJECT ENGINEER", not mine, I am fine with my everyday problems and disabilities and stand them as if I was a adult man.
Invest in your mates project (and keep your mouth shut) we will not blame you.

[watchkeeper]

apex1
add theraphy to the previous

[tom28571]

For what it's worth.

Some partnerships in sailboats seem to work while others don't. The best ones are yard maintained with a fairly new boat with lower maintenance than an older wooden boat. Yard maintained is probably the key to a good multi-partnership's success. Two partners can work, but they and their families must be compatible.

My first keelboat was in a two person partnership. Did not end in a fight but was far from an enjoyable venture. Never again. It's cheaper and easier to charter. Of course, most all large sailboat owners could say the same thing. We got to have our own boats.