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Old 11-16-2011, 03:42 AM
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We lived 3 years (February 1991 to August 1993 ) in Haï Phong.
We built a motor sailor (Oaristys 18,20 loa 17,40 at deck, 5,20, draft 1,50/3,60m) in Song Cam shipyard.
And of course if we sold our actual boat we will going back to Haï Phong , not necessary in the same shipyard .
In 1993 we got permit for make charter in Ha Long bay with our motor sailor but my wife said : no more Vietnam (and I never know where is the problem : climate,rats,foods or ...Vietnamese womens !)
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:45 AM
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Location: Conn in summers , Ortona FL in winter , with big dock & room for O'nite stop .
The photo of the French boat running a very tight tunnel will easily explain much of the design.

The dockside bunch will much prefer a Bloat Boat , another 3 story Room-maran, but this boat seems useful for cruising Euro land .

Wonder if the scantlings would hold up offshore?

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Old 11-16-2011, 11:35 AM
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For scantlings I have fews translations (I don't know this worb)
but if it mean "echantillonage" we are just 280 % of the CE regulations for some and at less double (200%)of the CE regulations for another (thickness,stiffeness,'rigidity' ).Sure if we have just the CE we could save a lot of weight on the hull , actualy net weight of alloy in the hull 11.500 kg.
Sure it could be less !
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Old 11-16-2011, 12:08 PM
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Under I give two sample of the ISO and the real thickness on board ,
not exactly 200% but not far , first thickness 12 mm from wl to the bottom and second thickness 16 mm the 'flat bottom'.

Epaisseur Epaisseur minimale
t tMIN
mm mm
5.769 4.589
Facteurs de comparaison (Valeurs reelles/Valeurs ISO)
Facteur d'Epaisseur
2.08
Conforme


Thickness calculated for ISO 5,769 mm (mini 4,589 mm )
Thickness of this panel 12 mm

Epaisseur requise par la norme
Epaisseur Epaisseur minimale
t tMIN
mm mm
8.608 4.768


Facteurs de comparaison (Valeurs reelles/Valeurs ISO)
Facteur d'epaisseur
1.858
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Thickness calculated for ISO 8,608 mm (mini 4,768 mm)
Thickness of this panel 16 mm
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Old 11-17-2011, 07:12 AM
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Location: Conn in summers , Ortona FL in winter , with big dock & room for O'nite stop .
"Washington extortionists are going to become more crooked as money becomes more scarce around the world."

They still have the Federal Reserve (private banksters) that simply write and clear their own checks creating bogus inflation money.

A boat that does not need a dock for months on end , with 3mpg would be reasonable.

Bladder tankage , so either fuel or water could be carried would give most versatility.

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Old 02-12-2012, 10:07 AM
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longcours62, I like your boat, I'll be checking your blog… pity it is in french but I’ll do my best. I could be interested in a boat like that but I am still only beginning to understand boating.
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Old 02-13-2012, 04:36 AM
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Thanks

thanks for your remarks I fill less stupid and lonely (or solitary ? )sorry for my en English it is the main raison for let my blog just in French : we are not able to translate it in a correct English !!
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I believe to understand your boat´s concept quiter well. That´s what I built. And if you make it to the north of Germany you should contact me and come over for a few glasses of wine and some talk about boats. http://www.my-marlin.de
Maybe we should start our own forum
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Old 02-13-2012, 11:07 AM
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longcours62 I refuse to believe there is no market for a boat like yours or mine. There is just no market for boats at all at this time. The concept of traveling long distance would be attractive for many people if they knew more about it. At this time they are just people like you and me, Dashew etc and as Tad said we do not have the proper PR machine and/or marketing plan. Maybe we should join force L'union fait la force! Just on our own we will not make it but if a few of us join together we might reach more public.

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Old 02-13-2012, 11:20 AM
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Market forces .

In the Mediterranean dockage is expensive with ever more regulations. . Yachts have morphed into tall square boxs the size of a marina berth. A modern 24 meter will be 24meters long, 8 meters beam, slab sided and three decks tall.

The situation will even get worse. In Italy they now have a punitive tax based on LOA. The new generation will be less that 24 loa and very tall , like skyscrapers. I wouldn't be surprise to see 24m square bow craft.
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The situation will even get worse. In Italy they now have a punitive tax based on LOA. The new generation will be less that 24 loa and very tall , like skyscrapers. I wouldn't be surprise to see 24m square bow craft.
Italy as a boating market is imho doomed to become nonexistent, and as such it will not have a sufficiently big economical lever to encourage builders to generate new ship forms. I don't think yachts will morph into skyscrapers, there will simply be no more yachts as we know them (separate day and night living spaces etc). There will be just boats for day-trips, preferably under 10 m LOA.

For those who don't know what me and Michael Pierzga are talking about, there is a new tax in Italy, applicable to every boat on Italian territory - be it in water or at the dry dock: http://www.romefile.com/information/...n-boat-tax.php

Furthermore, there is a massive anti-tax-evasion action being currently exercised by the Guardia di Finanza (Italian financial police - the equivalent of american IRS), and they are employing every mean available. For example, every day I see luxury cars and SUVs being pulled over by the police and documents checked and notified to the Guardia di Finanza. They then check every bit of the financial history of the car owner, in search of a possible tax evasion. They do it with cars, imagine what happens if one owns a boat...

While it is a perfectly legitimate action from the economical and moral point of view (there is a huge grey economy in Italy), it imho also creates a strong action against a boat ownership - de facto extinguishing the Italian boating industry. Time will tell how much was lost and how much gained by this action.
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Old 02-13-2012, 12:00 PM
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While there is no current market for existing boats or typical production boats which are identical to designs (fat and high) offered for the past 30 years.......There is a tiny market for new thinking, Greenline low-price light-displacement hulls, powercats, and I think Dashew is on hulls 6-7 of his 62' series. I've been talking with a builder in Dalian China who would like to build aluminum PL's to a budget.......another possibility but still requiring effort to develop a community of possible owner's......
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Old 02-13-2012, 12:40 PM
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You are right ! More and more volume for the same loa .
But when we start the long-cours 62 project near 18 years ago ( my God!! we are old now!!!) the marinas problems was not the same and also we make this type of boat for people who don't want stay in marina.
It why we choose flat bottom, small draft and two strong protection for the propellers with that you can stay on some rivers, beach on some well protected areas .
If one day we built a second long-cours 62 we even try to minimize the draft of ruders and propeller at the same draft than the hull by using twin rudders and tunnels for propellers .In this case we need no more than 1,05 cm of fresh or salt water.
But you are right the taxes for exemple in Italy (but also in France for annual taxe) will more 'right' (sorry I don't find the good worb ) if they are based on the volume and not on the oal.
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Italy as a boating market is imho doomed to become nonexistent, and as such it will not have a sufficiently big economical lever to encourage builders to generate new ship forms. I don't think yachts will morph into skyscrapers, there will simply be no more yachts as we know them (separate day and night living spaces etc). There will be just boats for day-trips, preferably under 10 m LOA.

For those who don't know what me and Michael Pierzga are talking about, there is a new tax in Italy, applicable to every boat on Italian territory - be it in water or at the dry dock: http://www.romefile.com/information/...n-boat-tax.php

Furthermore, there is a massive anti-tax-evasion action being currently exercised by the Guardia di Finanza (Italian financial police - the equivalent of american IRS), and they are employing every mean available. For example, every day I see luxury cars and SUVs being pulled over by the police and documents checked and notified to the Guardia di Finanza. They then check every bit of the financial history of the car owner, in search of a possible tax evasion. They do it with cars, imagine what happens if one owns a boat...

While it is a perfectly legitimate action from the economical and moral point of view (there is a huge grey economy in Italy), it imho also creates a strong action against a boat ownership - de facto extinguishing the Italian boating industry. Time will tell how much was lost and how much gained by this action.
Yah...Ive been warned about moving non EU, customs bonded yachts thru Italy.

Italy obviously needs money but its a shame that the new tax is so dramatic..in your face. I would have prefered they taxed on a power to weight ratio, create a market for effecincy and give Italian shipyards a advantage with environmentaly friendly modern motor yachts.
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Longcourse, fortunately I can read french sufficiently well so no problem. What I like about your boat is your no-nonsense attitude, but I too agree that style wise it might not be a head turner, but that is not what I am looking for. If you care, I am discussing my cheap dream boat on the "Displacement hull fishing boat?" thread. I would like to have your opinion.
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