Tell me about the Nordic Tug 54

[cthippo]

I thought Nordic was out of business?

[Milehog]

For a short time they had stopped production.

[FAST FRED]

I'm assuming an engine rebuild or replacement as part of initial costs so mostly, I'm wondering about electronics or other, newer features that the '94 might not have.

What is missing on older boats is the years of owner input.

The newer cookies will have many of the "improvements" the boats designer did not think of .

Most of these larger boats use industrial , or large truck marinizations , so it would be very rare to have 1/50 the time needed for a rebuild.

FF

[sean9c]

Originally Posted by taniwha

Nordhavn 47 is a great boat and in my opinion the best that was ever made by Nordhavn. Obviously a company with lots of experience in the field. Do yorself a favor and get Roberts Bebes book cruising under power and do not forget to compare the consumption rates of the various trawlers.

Are you sure you don't mean the Nordhavn 46?
The 47 is a newer generation, after Nordhavn caved to customer demands for more interior volume. They did so by mainly going up.

[sean9c]

Originally Posted by Tad

Passagemaker Lite is my trade name for a broad design series of lightweight ocean going motoryachts. See http://passagemakerlite.com My work on the concept started in about 2001, years before Steve Dashew jumped on the bandwagon.

Peter's (Taniwha) boat in South Africa is the first of these to be built and launched.

Over the 11 years the concept has been around there have many variations created in sizes from 39' to 120'. They have also been designed in plywood, sheathed strip-plank (Peter's boat), foam core fiberglass, aluminum, and steel(though the last departs from the concept a bit). Currently I am developing a 62' sail assist version for aluminum construction in Dalian China.

Let's look at boat cost comparisons on a per pound basis. Currently in the eastern US a top custom builder (composite) will charge something close to $55-60.00 per pound of finished (empty, light ship) boat. Typical Asian built production cruising boats run approximately $17.00 to $25.00 per pound.

At an lightship of 53,000 pounds and $2.5m the Dashew comes in at $47.00 per pound, good value some would say.

The PL 48 at a lightship of 24,200 (bare bones) pounds and $300k is $12.40 per pound. Very good value some would say.

The Nordic 54 hull #9 seems to be for sale as a old-stock new boat, at $997,500. Her published displacement is 68,000 pounds, I do not know the load condition. That gives a per pound price of $14.67, which is rather amazing.

Not being negative and I sure like the PL series but I'd be sort of curious to know how you built a PL 48 for $300k, has to be stripped and built in a cheap labor place. Boats are expensive to build
A more interesting comparison of boats might be by interior volume. The NT54 is a big block of a boat. Likely with considerable more interior than even the larger Dashew boat.
Obviously the NT 54 is the only molded boat of the 3, so if you don't have to include tooling cost in the price it is at an advantage. Also the $997k has got to be the stripper version and based on the new economic reality. It wasn't long ago that NT42's were bumping that $.

[Tad]

Sean,

I don't build, sell, or price any boats.....I design them and sell plans.

I know very well that boats are expensive. As a further point of perspective, a Diesel Duck 462 (51' by 15') in steel and built in China is 68,000 pounds and $600k at the yard. That's base price of $8.82 per pound, with no autopilot, watermaker, freezer, generator, stabilizers, sailing rig, flying bridge, etc.....

There is some amount of "tooling" cost in almost every build method, whether it's NC CAD time for aluminum construction, cutting molds for strip planking, or building full tools for production glass.

[igorcolor]

I understand that there is a LRC58 which has a range of 9000miles, is 58ft long, uses a 75HP engine and there hardly any fuel and has a cruising speed of 12knt

[bpw]

Originally Posted by RabigAngel

I know I'm inexperienced and I have jumped into things in the past that were huge in scale. I'll be educating myself thoroughly on this but because of my research, I already know the scale of boat that I will require. That's why I'm interested in feedback on the Nortic Tug 54 or perhaps the Nordhavn 47.

Any info on the pros and cons of these boats would be greatly appreciated.

I am a sailor so can't help on boat choice, but I will say as an experienced cruiser that you really can't know what you want until you go out cruising for a while. Maybe buy a cheap smaller boat, make sure you like cruising and then use what you learned to decide on the "perfect boat" If you are careful you will likely be able to sell the first boat for about the same as you paid, and probably save a lot of money on the new boat.

I have met far too many people who spend 5-10 years getting ready to go cruising and making the boat perfect just to find out they don't actually like it that much. Then the boat either gets sold on the cheap or they park it in a marina and use it a rather expensive houseboat.