Pirate Mercs

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by dskira

Not a gun crazy going on pirate rampage extermination.
If you want that go to an other forum please. This is not the place.
Cheers
Daniel

I think he said he was starting a naval escort business, where did you read "pirate rampage extermination".

I know its difficult when you get exited but try to keep the facts right.

Since when where you an administrator and could instruct people to leave the forum. You have only been here 8 months yourself.

If you don't like it -you have the right to not read it.

I have deducted points from you DS I have told you why.

[dskira]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I think he said he was starting a naval escort business, where did you read "pirate rampage extermination".

I know its difficult when you get exited but try to keep the facts right.

Since when where you an administrator and could instruct people to leave the forum. You have only been here 8 months yourself.

If you don't like it -you have the right to not read it.

I have deducted points from you DS I have told you why.

Frosty you don't get it. I was kidding when i gave you good point and said I have to kiss your ass. Poor moroon the truth is: I don't get a fly **** about your stupid point.
You are so poorly wired you didn't get the funny part.
If you there with point go back to elementary school, but never ever told me a crap like that.
This is a forum moroon. Get it?
Do not threaten me again ever.
You power is NOTHING, zip, non.
As for the Lanolin, put it in your arse, its good for your emoroid and your points.
People who gave me lesson piss me off, mostly being a computer on a forum.
I tryed to warn you. You don't get it, to bad.
By the way, I wrote to Jeff about the thread as I told earlier. Happy now?
I presente you my behind and kiss it.

[dskira]

Originally Posted by Frosty

You should try to not get so exited and stressed DS. you will sound more intelligent if you slowed down and used a spelling check,---please, its quite easy to do with Firefox.

Getting all stressed up like that at your age is not good.

You right Frosty, I get exited when people lecture me, patronize me, show a power they don't have, and use the oldest wickest and last aminition: the SPELLING.
They love that. When they have nothing more to say the attack the SPELLING.
You don't exite me. Your attitude make me sad. You have to rely on the time you spend on the forum to show your strength. You must be stress.
As for the Firefox, it can join the Lanolin up yours.
As for your dear SPELLING it can join the crowd.
The beauty is: everytime you will use Lanolin you will have to think about me, and if you don't use it you will be the king of the suckers, paying all outdoors for product which don't work. Is that nice or what
Could you give me an other of your bad point, you seams to love it so much.
And be carefull perhaps the tooth ferry will come to haunt you
As always you welcome to kiss my behind

[dskira]

Its very important to Keep facts right, or you make arguments for nothing--- Frosty

Killing people is an argument for nothing.
Good for you Frosty, you have a great sense of humanity.
You are a poor jerk to think like that.

[ancient kayaker]

Originally Posted by Groundpounder

... We are armed security guards ... I will try to keep the rest of my writings to a nautical nature ... If you want to discuss the nautical parts of this post I would find that helpful ...

Some of the questions have been addressed, there seem to be outstanding. Cumon guys stop shooting at each other and tell him what he needs to know!

weather
ability of vessel to handle it
crew size
watch organization
maintainance costs

I have no related experience to draw in so no useful advice to offer in the nautical area, but lots of life experience. You are all ground soldiers by the sound of it with no marine experience to speak of. You may not survive long without at least 2 crew members with that experience and training for the rest. Courage, team spirit and determination are always good to have but not enough on the high seas, even when nobody is shooting at you.

I think, someone was threatening Frosty while telling him not to threaten...

"Absolutley better. I don't know why they don't take a few 20mm guns with explosive heads" - Yes, the 20 ought to really make their heads "pop"...
COOL!

If there is an individual with a problem with this thread, be advised, keep up your browbeating, heavy-handed techniques and I will start posting long-range sniper shots through a spotting scope. Your aggressive, warlike techniques are not appreciated here... there are gentlemen trying to accomplish a task.

Can we get back to the boat, please?

Although the boat is a proper built, and Burmester was one of the best for this sort of vessel, this is´nt what one would need for this task.

It is a coastal patrol boat with very limited range. You would need at least 1000nm range at cruising speed. Cruising speed MUST be above 24 kn to hold the pace of a average Container vessel or fast (handysize) Bulker / gen. Cargo.

You cannot!!!......
....use BunkerC in such engines, you need at least MDO / MDF, better plain Diesel fuel.
No commercial vessel can rebunker you!
Even if they have the appropriate fuel (most have MDO / MDF because BunkerC is prohibited in many ports), they do´nt have the equipment to pump you up.

Tankers fear nearly nothing more, than electrical contact with another vessel, while at sea. For good reasons. (and they do´nt transport processed products in general)

Crew size for a 30 meter patrol boat is around 12 and up! That makes for three on watch, rest off. One cannot assume to operate such boat with less, when there is a mission on top of plain moving the vessel through the water.

Maintenance and running cost naturally vary widely, but you should reckon at least 5% of the newbuilt cost of such vessel p.a. as a baseline. Fuel on top of that, crewing additional. There you are in a 1mio$ ballpark for the standing operating cost already.

Weather should´nt be a problem in that region, it is mostly calm to moderate. When it gets nasty there it gets really nasty though. (due to the high energy content in the system)
In nasty weather Pirates are the last of your concerns, I guess.

The Navy boats someone posted here, seem to be a rather good solution. (or something similar)
A mothership and RIB´s are´nt what you need. Too slow the launch time for a sudden response.

Another, yet not mentioned, issue will be your homeport! You cannot choose as you like. You need the permission of the authorities to enter their territory with a heavily armed boat!
There you are in international diplomacy and politics issues. One of the worst minefields to navigate, you know?

Although the idea of a private "support" team for the commercial shipping fleet sounds nice, bringing it into real life means time, money, sweat and tears, be sure.

In the Malakka straits btw. are some similar enterprises at work.

OK Terry?

Regards
Richard

How can they solve the fuel issue, Richard?

[Boston]

I think they could remodel a little and make room for carrying additional fuel ( that boat seems fast enough to me )
which could be held in 55 gallon drums stowed bellow in the hull and pumped into the tanks while underway. 37 drums would give them an additional ~2000 gallons. Even with no real new tanks installed they could surely stash 37 barrels in a 100' boat somewhere. probably more like two or three times that number if they were willing eat and sleep on barrels

[dskira]

Originally Posted by mark775

I think, someone was threatening Frosty while telling him not to threaten...

"Absolutley better. I don't know why they don't take a few 20mm guns with explosive heads" - Yes, the 20 ought to really make their heads "pop"...
COOL!

If there is an individual with a problem with this thread, be advised, keep up your browbeating, heavy-handed techniques and I will start posting long-range sniper shots through a spotting scope. Your aggressive, warlike techniques are not appreciated here... there are gentlemen trying to accomplish a task.

Can we get back to the boat, please?

No you mistaken I threaten Frosty openly, ok.
Make their heads "pop" cool! Yes I have a problem with that. If you don't, you have a problem.
Gentleman? please the best way to kill is gentlemany?
MY WARLIKE? Are you complitly delusional. READ THE THREAD. AND RE-READ IT AGAIN until you will have the light comming in your head.
And please you can state my name when you talk about me.
Because contrary to your friend Frosty, I have a name. The coward is well hidden.

Cheers
Daniel

Bos, I won't say that I've never done it (I have) but it is less than optimum to store fuel in barrels. I know that they can be secured, and I know that they will be careful and a little spilled diesel can be cleaned up but turning a valve is really what they will want to do. The boat isn't as big as one would think - it likely has less interior space than the wooden one you have shown, barrels can crush when bound, or hold there own when full and crush enough to loosen straps when empty. Suffice to say that I just don't believe it to be very seamanlike.
To give an idea about the shape of the engines, an equivalent ONE of those new is probably about the asking price of this entire vessel. I would expect them to be tired.
I don't agree with Richard on the refueling. We do it in Alaska all the time - the trampers and tenders have a stock of diesel for this purpose and boats are filled every day with not much more than a long hose with a valve at the end. Navies do it all the time. I know it's not how they do it at Alyeska

but the fact remains that it can be done. A ship would not be willing to stop, even if they had diesel.

Frosty (and AK) was the most level-headed one here! You are WAY out of line.
http://www.break.com/usercontent/200...an-481279.html

Mark I referred to the average commercial vessel going through the Suez canal.
None of them has the equipment to refuel at full speed in some seastate! A hose and handpump might be nice from coaster to trawler in calm waters, but be sure NO general cargo or container master will slow down to 5kn for refuelling his escort!

The Burmester boat is just not a seagoing vessel, thats all. There IS no space for sufficient additional tankage.
And your concerns about the condition of these engines are for sure right.
The boat is out of professional care for decades now. The engines are gone.

Regards
Richard

[Boston]

One of these guys is a top notch professional diesel mechanic. My take is he could have those things apart and back together with new rings and bearings in no time, hone down the cylinders and the works, line bore if it needed it. They got a mechanic what they need to be doing is working on the right boat.
So lets find em one, thats what I was hoping for when I started this thread. The idea is a good one and the job needs to be done.
B

when my other buddy put gas in the diesel this guy is the one I consulted on how to clean it out and what kind of damage I could expect.

Richard, we are on the same page.
Boston, be careful. Parts for those MANS (MTUs?) are going to be exorbitant. I'm not saying it can't be done but be careful.
An aside; Bos, I wouldn't know what to expect from putting gas in a diesel other than the engine would stop running and there would be less lubrication to the injection pump. I wouldn't think it would harm...What did the pro say?