Pirate Mercs

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by dskira

I have to give to Frosty, he signed is negative.
A coward in this thread hit me with an other negative, without signing.

And you want to go after pirates when you have not the courage to sign a feedback?

What a sissy you are, courageous behind your computer.
A little pirate of 5 years old will make you run for cover. Bhoooo
Courage is not on your agenda, that is sure.
Sorry Marco, I don't like coward so I didn't follow your advise.
But I will
Cheers
Daniel

I told you to get your facts right or you will start arguments for nothing --signed Frosty.


Your attention to what people actually say is pathetic, you don't read the post and twist it. This is not the first time you have done this.

Twisting the question then answering is of no use to any one, Its just waisting peoples time.

For this I deducted points, is that clear, I deducted points.


You can not give neg points or pos points twice within a time period---

Some one else must have made a deduction from you --surprised?

Following me round with your insulting silly rantings is not becoming of a professional, or of a 65 year old man but more of a child.

Now go away and reconsider your behavior.

[Groundpounder]

Apex1, I looked at that add and their top speed is listed as 28 knots with a cruising speed of 18 knots. Also it is not that much bigger then the boat I was looking at and should have similar range. I think the guys doing these escort missions currently are eater only escorting smaller craft or are having the cargo ships slow down to keep up with them.

[Frosty]

Cargo/container ships have a tight schedule, they have to arrive on time, asking them to slow down through a pirated area may not be acceptable.

How far do you need to escort the ship?

[Marco1]

Originally Posted by apex1

This is what they would need to do a proper business and survive the first trip.

http://commercial.apolloduck.com/dis...tml?aid=120710

What about speed. How much would it cost to go cruising at 25 miles with such ship?

[Groundpounder]

I think we may need to go 1500 Miles. This is the boat I was originaly looking at. http://commercial.apolloduck.com/fea...html?id=108835

[Marco1]

How do you know that one will do the 25 knots cruising you need?
Do you know the state of the engine?

[Marco1]

http://commercial.apolloduck.com/feature.phtml?id=21364

This seems to be purpose built.

[Groundpounder]

Marco1 that would be perfect if we could possibly afford it. If I had a buisness loan for a million dolars that would probably not be enough. Also the hull is alluminum and I doubt they are using a magnisium composite that will stop small arms fire. We are going to have to make do with an older preused boat. This service has to be affordable, otherwise it is not going to work.

Originally Posted by Groundpounder

I think the guys doing these escort missions currently are eater only escorting smaller craft or are having the cargo ships slow down to keep up with them.

In the Malakka straits the traffic is relatively slow anyway, there they have no problem.



Come on guys,

look at the Burmester patrol boat, look at the freeboard and everything is said! And never she does more than 20kn wot!
Forget it.
The Norwegian are stable boats at sea and withstand far more than the coastal patrol boat. But of course they do´nt have the endurance at cruising speed you would need.
More than 24 kn is too much to afford btw.! But one should be comfortable with 24 due to the fact that that is the speed of fast commercial craft (container and general cargo).
That is in the 5000 to 10000 hp ballpark for a vessel with some substantial tankage and accommodation. Meaning several tonnes of fuel per day!
Calculate 200g kw / hr and 75% of the horses working at cruising speed. (much less and your engines are sour in no time, much more and your range is down to harbour cruises)
Say 5000 kw x 200g is 1 ton per hr = 1200 liter
that would propel a 35 meter boat through seastate 4 at about 24kn cont.

I doubt that it is just coincidence that the Navies involved around the Horn of Africa use Fregates and Destroyers for their task forces.

A bit less might work, but something really substantial it has to be, no doubt.

Marco:
that is a toy! Imagine 8hrs at 24 kn in seastate 4 and your crew is gone! (seastate 4 is brilliant, calm weater for the entire commercial fleet btw.!)

Regards
Richard

[Marco1]

Originally Posted by Groundpounder

Marco1 that would be perfect if we could possibly afford it. If I had a buisness loan for a million dolars that would probably not be enough. Also the hull is alluminum and I doubt they are using a magnisium composite that will stop small arms fire. We are going to have to make do with an older preused boat. This service has to be affordable, otherwise it is not going to work.

Yes, I realise that is a new one, I was interested in the fact that it is purpose built for your particular application. There is a table there for fuel consumption according to speed you may find interesting. Thy have two MTU2000 hp engines the same as the one in the older german boat.
As for affordability, it does not hurt to ask. I noticed they have 70% finance availalbe. I suppose they want to know how much money you could make. They can also build in different ports.

I am afraid that a 100' plus ship that can do 30knots max 25 knots cruise and 200 miles range will have to be something of a more modern design than 1950 or 1960. That is why I thought a compromise in size may give you what you need. Keep on searching and ask lots of questions. Did you check other forums, shipyards, ship builders? Just go there and pretend to be able to buy tomorrow. You will collect that way a lot of first hand information.
Being an army man you should ask navy people. They would have a lot of experience and point you in the right direction.

[Marco1]

Originally Posted by apex1

Come on guys,

look at the Burmester patrol boat, look at the freeboard and everything is said! And never she does more than 20kn wot!
Forget it.
The Norwegian are stable boats at sea and withstand far more than the coastal patrol boat. But of course they do´nt have the endurance at cruising speed you would need.
More than 24 kn is too much to afford btw.! But one should be comfortable with 24 due to the fact that that is the speed of fast commercial craft (container and general cargo).
That is in the 5000 to 10000 hp ballpark for a vessel with some substantial tankage and accommodation. Meaning several tonnes of fuel per day!
Calculate 200g kw / hr and 75% of the horses working at cruising speed. (much less and your engines are sour in no time, much more and your range is down to harbour cruises)
Say 5000 kw x 200g is 1 ton per hr = 1200 liter
that would propel a 35 meter boat through seastate 4 at about 24kn cont.

I doubt that it is just coincidence that the Navies involved around the Horn of Africa use Fregates and Destroyers for their task forces.

A bit less might work, but something really substantial it has to be, no doubt.

Marco:
that is a toy! Imagine 8hrs at 24 kn in seastate 4 and your crew is gone! (seastate 4 is brilliant, calm weater for the entire commercial fleet btw.!)

Regards
Richard

Sorry Richard, I missed your post. Yes, I realise small is bumpy and all that. Jee call it a toy, I want to play with one!!!!!

If they change the 12V for two 16V MTU 2000hp would that increase the speed of the old one or not?

[Frosty]

[quote=apex1;328209]In the Malakka straits the traffic is relatively slow anyway, there they have no problem.


The Malacca straits is flat calm, barely a ripple at times, hot and muggy as indeed it is today with not a cloud in the sky and a gentle NE 5mph.

At 20 30 meters deep there is never swell.

The piracy here is opportunist fishermen having had a bad day.

Weaving between shallows such as One Fathom bank off Klang will necessitate a slower speed.

A steel boat at sea is hot, weapons in the sun will be also, the hot sun is a serious consideration for skin burn.

Djibuti will be similarly hot with sharp sun.

Originally Posted by Marco1

If they change the 12V for two 16V MTU 2000hp would that increase the speed of the old one or not?

Sure it would,
and decrease the insufficient range further...............

[Groundpounder]

Frosty, the heat issue has accured to me also. Most of the guys who are interested in this have at least a year and a half in Iraq and some have 4.5 years. If we could get some shade on the deck and some air conditioning in the cabins it will make thinge easier. Keep in mind that in iraq they are usealy waring 35 pounds of body armor in addition to water, weapons, gear and ammo. Also they are physicly active all day. Sunburn can be prevented with long sleaves and a hat. Sunstroke is a little more serious.

If I may, back to the ones I liked so much;

The specs show 20,000 liters fuel. Need to come up with room for another 20,000, I 'spose. Richard said that the water is nice there (when it's nice) so you should be able to make one of these work. Don't worry about the cost of fuel - it is the cost of doing this and it will be recovered. I also wouldn't worry too much about small arms fire on the hull - You could swat 7.62 x .39 (AK47) out of the air with a rolled up Huriyah Magazine (or whatever you have laying around) from 400 meters. I feel that your engines and yourselves are the only things critical (patch a stray hole with a stick if you ever got one).