Ok, Now What...?

[Willallison]

We are rapidly reaching the point where we must stop talking and start drawing - with most of the fundamentals established, what do we do now?

Do we each come up with some preliminary drawings, compare and debate their various virtues / compromises, narrowing our ideas down 'till we come up with the final design? This seems the most logical solution, but we haven't exactly seen a flood of ideas in the "Can we start drawing yet thread"....

Or does one of us draw the boat - and have the others hurl (constructive ) criticism at it, redraw, redraw and redraw 'till we are all happy?

Or something else altogether..

Then there is the tricky subject of what to do with our fabulous new design once it's drawn, but perhaps that is for later....

[duluthboats]

yes lets draw. I’m slowly grinding away but I have many distractions. I hope to have something to post soon. Hopefully we can get a handful of prospects to refine and then pick one to refine even further.

We can continue to discuss the minutia, but I don’t think anything else we decide will change things drastically.

What will we do with it? If it’s any good I’ll build one. Maybe a bunch of them and become rich enough to visit my friends down under. LOL!!!

Gary

[Portager]

I like the option where you draw and then we all hurl darts at it .

Actually I'm working on an arrangement based loosely the Surf Scoter 25. I'm thinking of a hard top with a sunroof for all yal (that's plural for yal) UV lovers.

If people would just stop posting things that I believe are technically flawed (not this thread or even subdirectory) then I could concentrate on O-1.

Cheers;
Mike Schooley

[duluthboats]

"If people would just stop posting things that I believe are technically flawed (not this thread or even subdirectory) then I could concentrate on O-1. "

Cheers;
Mike Schooley




Mike I'll have a smile the rest of the night
Gary

[Willallison]

LOL
...hmm wonder what he could be talking about....?
p'aps we should install one of them thar ingines in our boat!

[Willallison]

Ok - sharpen your darts!
I have the low deadrise version of the hull that I've posted before in the gallery ready for .........evaluation
What's the best way for me to post it?.....Jeff.......

[Nomad]

Got nuff darts to last bout 3 wks.............. So get drawing!!!

[Portager]

OK, don't laugh (too hard). Here is my design for O-1. Sorry about the quality of the graphics. I don't have any good drawing programs at home.

It has a length of 32', beam is 8.2', overall height is 7.6' and pilothouse headroom is 6.33'.

The head is a little cramped but is has a separate shower. The sink is in the shower.

The self bailing cockpit is 6' wide and 9.35' deep. There is a step down into the pilothouse. I felt I would need to keep weight low since the beam is so narrow.

The pilothouse would have a hardtop but a large sunroof to let the light in and for ventilation.

Cheers;
Mike Schooley

[Willallison]

OK, don't laugh (too hard). Here is my design for O-1. Sorry about the quality of the graphics. I don't have any good drawing programs at home.

Participation Rule #1
"Ye shall note laugh at another's drawings until ye hath posted something superior!"


Duck - here come the darts!
Lets start up front shall we.....

For O-1, I prefer a relatively plumb stem. It increases waterline length for better rough water performance and maximises interior space.

I gather that you have incorporated a drop-leaf table, just aft of the helm? This would interfere with opening the fridge (which I am also assuming is located just aft of the helm). Your boat is capable of sleeping 3 (4 if the back of the 'lounge' flips up), but only provides seated dining for one - 2 at the most.

True, locating the loo in the salon allows for a lower overall height, but it restricts visibility aft. (I know Tom will have something to say about this...) If this becomes a necessary layout VCG reasons, then I would like a second helm located in the cockpit, or a hatch over the driver, allowing him (what! You guys let your wives drive the boat!?! ) ok her to poke their head out if necessary.

I'd also like a hanging locker for wet weather gear etc.

Oops - run out of sharp darts.......back soon

[Portager]

OK, try this. I changed the bench seat to a booth. I like this better because you don't need a drop leaf table that is always going to be in the way and the passenger can look out the window while underway.

The skylight might be tooo big but I'm too tired to change it.

Cheers;
Mike Schooley

[tom28571]

Got my supply of darts ready.

1. There is no comfortable seat for the mate to have a view forward. Your first layour seems to use Devlin's idea is the mate sitting on the port counter with feet resting on the port bunk. One of Sam's ideas that my mate and I don't like.

2. When the table is down there is no open passage. This will lead to much strife.

3. I also would extend the waterline to a nearly plumb bow. Besides, it suits a classic design better.

4. With as much window area as this, there is no need for a skylight and it restricts space on the cabintop for a dingy or solar panel or whatever. In southere climes, it would be too hot.

5. No hanging locker.

6. No drawer space for gear and clothing.

7. No anchor well forward.

8. Not enough light in sleeping cabin.

9. At this length, the boat should use all legal beam.

10. How wide are the side decks and is it possible to do mooring and anchoring work from inside the forecabin? Safe side decks will greatly restrict room in the pilothouse and need to be taken into account when laying out the interior.

Next dart chunker, step up.

[Portager]

Originally posted by tom28571
1. There is no comfortable seat for the mate to have a view forward. Your first layour seems to use Devlin's idea is the mate sitting on the port counter with feet resting on the port bunk. One of Sam's ideas that my mate and I don't like.

The second revision changed the port bunk to a booth with seats facing fore and aft.

2. When the table is down there is no open passage. This will lead to much strife.

See comment above.

3. I also would extend the waterline to a nearly plumb bow. Besides, it suits a classic design better.

OK, rev 3 has a nearly plumb bow.

4. With as much window area as this, there is no need for a skylight and it restricts space on the cabintop for a dingy or solar panel or whatever. In southere climes, it would be too hot.

The skylight is optional, to appease the soft top crowd. It is much smaller in rev 3.

5. No hanging locker.

The hanging locker was added in rev 3. It is to starboard just forward on the pilothouse entrance. The floor of the locker is raised and drains into the cockpit. The space below would be used for electrical/mechanical equipment.

6. No drawer space for gear and clothing.

There would be drawers/cabinets below the counters and under all the seats.

7. No anchor well forward.

The anchor well is in the bow. The hatch was added in rev 3.

8. Not enough light in sleeping cabin.

Rev 2 shows a hatch/skylight in the forward compartment.

9. At this length, the boat should use all legal beam.

I limited the beam to 2.5 m = 8.2' for international trailerability.

10. How wide are the side decks and is it possible to do mooring and anchoring work from inside the fore cabin? Safe side decks will greatly restrict room in the pilothouse and need to be taken into account when laying out the interior.

They are 1 foot wide most of the way. Same as Devlin's Surf Scoter 25. Handholds would be on the pilothouse roof but I was too lazy to draw them.

I have also rotated the head to face aft. You should now be able to sit and close the door. The Admirable likes that . The entire floor of the head drains into the shower drain so the shower door doesn't need to be water tight. The shower door just maintains a dry area where you can have towel racks and set you glasses while in the shower.

I have shown fore and aft fuel tanks in rev 3. There hold 67 gallons each or 400 lbs. I'm thinking this location is too far aft for good CG management. The only alternative I see so far is to raise the pilothouse to get enough room for the fuel tanks under the floor. Any comments?

I currently have the refer/freezer shown as 3'X3'. I think this is overkill but the engineer in me likes the optimum square dimensions .

Cheers;
Mike Schooley

[Portager]

I was working on the Phantom Boat today and I paid special attention to the side decks. They are about 8" at their widest and much narrower in localized areas. In addition there are no handrails and nothing to hold on to at all when the top is down. These always seamed marginally adequate to me, so I think the 12" should be good.

I have a collection of darts that I recently acquired and I am getting anxious to use them. When are you guys going to post something?

Cheers;
Mike Schooley

[Willallison]

Definitely better Mike.
How do you prevent water from entering the main cabin from the cockpit? If there is a step down to inside, then the height of the rear door is already restricted, so lifting the bottom of the door up will only compound the problem......

Ok, time to put up or shut up so - based on the lines that I have drawn and the napkin sketch which I have previously posted, here is a section to give a better idea of my idea for O-1.
Note that the section lines (pink) are not to scale and the rest is only rough...

Preliminary specs are as follows:

Transom deadrise 12.5 degrees
Midship 23 degrees
@ stn#2 54 degrees
Displacement 1385 kg
Draft 0.25m
LWL 7.51m
Beam 2.5m
BWL 2.1m
LCB 63.2%

As previously stated, I like a plumb bow - longer LWL, more interior volume - and I think they look cool!
Anchor lock up front (I'd have a remote operation anchor winch too) I haven't drawn it but I'd also have a bowsprit with the anchor permanantly mounted on a self launcher. This also aids disemarking from the bow. I rather like the idea of a fold down ladder from under the sprit too, so you can beach the bow and step off....
V berths are 2 metres long with storage under. An infill creates a large double. A hatch up front provides easy access to the bow / anchor (not drawn). Removal of the centre section of cushions means you wont walk all over them with wet feet. Headroom in the fwd cabin is 2m.
Stbd side, aft of the berth is the head. Headroom here is slightly restricted (about 1.7m) but adequate. The shower is integral.
Port side, opposite the loo - In the drawing I have shown a tunnel berth with the aft section running back under the galley, creating 3 permanent berths. There would be storage under this berth. An alternative would be to replace it with a storage cabinet - a hanging locker and draws.
Up into the cockpit, a double helm seat is located stbd, the back of which flips forward to create the aft facing 1/2 of the dinette. The table drops to create another berth. The fridge is located beneath the helm seat, a 'wet' locker in the back support of the fwd facing dinette seat and stowage in its base and in the raised floor under the table. The raised floor at the helm in the hardtop model, allows the driver to stand up and poke his head out through a hatch above. A second, larger sliding hatch or canvas sunroof could be incorporated for those who desire it.
On the port side is another fwd facing seat. this flips fwd to create additional bench space for the galley which is located immediately aft of it. The gas water heater is located under the counter at the rear of the galley, with its 'chimney' running up through the radar arch support. The gas bottle I have located in its own externally vented locker, under the aft bench seat.
Twin transom doors provide access to the boarding platform, which surrounds the outboard, giving excellent access for servicing etc. The centre section of the platform lifts with the motor when it is tilted.
As the entire cockpit is raised, it is self draining. It also provides an extraordinary amount of under-floor storage and allows the location of fuel and water tanks at the LCB so they don't effect trim.
Side decks are 250mm wide. providing a reasonable compromise between safe bow access and interior space.

Now, I'll just duck while you guys start chucking!!

[Willallison]

more images of my O-1 hull: