More Option One

[duluthboats]

So this is where we are at. Where are we going from here?

Power cruiser

1 Coastal hopping for a week:
2 Trailerable
3 Range 300 miles
4 Crew, 2 minimum
5 Price range, under 50K US, for home built.
6 Must be able to carry on a normal conversation at 3/4 throttle

Constructed easily by a smallish yard and at the same time the yard could sell bare hulls and kits for home completion

More Speedy...

1. Max speed 45 + knots
2. Cruise 30 - 40 knots
3. Economical at cruise as well as displacement speeds.

1. We have a minimum crew of 2, so we need at least 2 (preferably permanent) berths and possibly two more convertible. The only time I'm prepared to crawl into bed is when I've had too much to drink, so I want at least near standing headroom at the foot of the bed.
2. Full standing headroom is an absolute necessity in all "living" areas - particularly if you're going to spend up to a week on board. A hardtop is not the be all and end all to me - well designed canopies, with lots of 'clears' work very well. Of more importance is to be able to see out when both sitting or standing.
3. Cooking and eating facilities should reflect the boats expected crew - nothing seems more absurd to me than all those "med-style" boats with huge galley's, four staterooms - but nowhere to sit and eat. I want to be able have 4 sit for dinner and a galley big enough to prepare the meal on. Stowage / refrigeration should be comensurate with our 1 week cruise.
4. Show me a woman who doesn't want an enclosed wc with shower and I'll show you one who's never spent a week away on a small boat with a couple of other people......
In many places now, that necessitates the use of a holding tank.
5. 12 volt power for everything. Generators have no place on a boat this small which has light weight as one of its primary requirements.
6. I cruise with two dogs (dalmations) - I need a dinghy! We use an 8 foot inflatable on my 27 ft Searay. It sits on the boarding platform (another absolute necessity) and is both light and easily managed.

Gary

[Nomad]

You have some very strong points Gary. But that 50k does that include power and install?

[Nomad]

My mistake I guess 50k was the price voted for earlier. Sorry

[duluthboats]

If we just throw money at it, what fun would that be? But your right it might not be realistic for this speed range. Thats why I'm voting for the longer hull we might have a chance. But it will be a bitch to trailer.
Gary

[Willallison]

I'm not convinced it can't be done to budget yet.
Here in Oz USD 50K amounts to AUD 100K. A pair of new Mercury Optimax 225's, fully fitted with all controls, hydraulic sterring etc amounts to well under 50K. That leaves another 50K for the boat - sufficient I would have thought - time will tell......
But does our USD 50K have to include the trailer?

The wish list of inclusions in Gary's post above is mine - surely I'm not the only one with an opinion on what should/shouldn't, could/couldn't be included/excluded........

As far as making the boat longer - how will that make it cheaper to build and easier to achieve our performance goals?

[Nomad]

Hey it's all good!

[Nomad]

I don't think the 50k should include the trailer...............

[Nomad]

Sorry for the skittish posts I just leave the computer on a post some times and wander off well from there it is pretty much self explanitory...................................

I have priced quite a few new boats in the 25 ft range of late and I'm always runing around the 100K Oz (50K US) range with virtually all of em, wiith only twin 150's so....

bearing in mind theres no heads and macerators or any fruit like radar etc in my pricings - I think a 35ft trailerable that does 40 knots and sleeps/feeds a few etc for under 100K Oz id just a pipedream...

Now at 25 ft bearbones you'r getting close IMHO..

Course with what we save if we add our own MEGS and do away with the Twin 225 yams fully rigged we might just manage it!

Can I have the job beating the drum to keep the oarsemen in time?

Cheers!

[Ralph]

On the assumption that the 50k does not include any $ for labor, benefits, insurance, financing/interest, dealers, construction facilities/space, or hired help, but materials and hardware will cost more becuase of buying retail/semi-retail vs. in volume, can any money be saved with a home built boat vs. a production boat of the same design?

[tom28571]

Hey guys,

Unless we are willing to stick to the cumulative results and implications of our polls, this project is going nowhere. To the guy who is counting pennies, the cost of the boat includes everything needed to get on the water. $50K is the figure agreed on. It has to include boat, engine, trailer, steering gear, etc., etc.

We voted for a trailerable. How does 33 to 36 feet fit in with that?

If anyone wants to suggest a 45kt top end and a 35kt cruise, then they should be ready to explain how that fits into the cost limit. We also said quiet and economical to run. Show at least one example of a 45kt boat that has the fixed shower, four bunks, fixed dining and galley facilities and other amenities mentioned and comes anywhere near meeting the cost and economy combination.

Another implication of the high speed is a hull that will produce that and not tear itself and the occupants to pieces. In a monohull, that means a deep V, unless there is some radical new hull design lurking in someones mind. Following up on the deep V means high displacement in order to make the boat safe and handle without chinewalking all over the water. Now we've lost the trailerable aspect again.

Maybe Trouty's MEGGS drive will be able to spit out legal specie as a side effect.

[duluthboats]

trouty:
“bearing in mind there’s no heads and macerators or any fruit like radar etc in my pricings - I think a 35ft trailerable that does 40 knots and sleeps/feeds a few etc for under 100K Oz id just a pipedream...”
Tom:
“If anyone wants to suggest a 45kt top end and a 35kt cruise, then they should be ready to explain how that fits into the cost limit. We also said quiet and economical to run. Show at least one example of a 45kt boat that has the fixed shower, four bunks, fixed dining and galley facilities and other amenities mentioned and comes anywhere near meeting the cost and economy combination.”

Ok, give trouty the drum. When these two guys agree with each other maybe we should take notice. I’ll have to admit we may have over shot on the wish list a little. I,m not afraid of a challenge but as I get older I choose my battles carefully. So what do we change the speed or the budget. Myself I would like to keep it something I could afford.

Gary

Ralph, I'll open your question topic in boatbuilding.

[Nomad]

Originally posted by tom28571
Hey guys,

Unless we are willing to stick to the cumulative results and implications of our polls, this project is going nowhere. To the guy who is counting pennies, the cost of the boat includes everything needed to get on the water. $50K is the figure agreed on. It has to include boat, engine, trailer, steering gear, etc., etc.

We voted for a trailerable. How does 33 to 36 feet fit in with that?

If anyone wants to suggest a 45kt top end and a 35kt cruise, then they should be ready to explain how that fits into the cost limit. We also said quiet and economical to run. Show at least one example of a 45kt boat that has the fixed shower, four bunks, fixed dining and galley facilities and other amenities mentioned and comes anywhere near meeting the cost and economy combination.

Another implication of the high speed is a hull that will produce that and not tear itself and the occupants to pieces. In a monohull, that means a deep V, unless there is some radical new hull design lurking in someones mind. Following up on the deep V means high displacement in order to make the boat safe and handle without chinewalking all over the water. Now we've lost the trailerable aspect again.

I agree with all of your points with the execption of one, Tom that is the trailerabilty. I'm not sure about you but here in the south eastern US there are alot of Kingfish Tournaments. With lots of fast narrow boats about 36' with 8' 6'' to 9' beams that are trailered form allaround the US. So this to me does not seem to be a big deal.

[Nomad]

Sorry for the messed up Quote I've never done a Quote before.

[Jeff]

Fixed

-- needed a closing tag [ quote ] text [ /quote ] (without the spaces). Also for anyone who hasn't used vBulletin much, there's an edit button on the lower right in case you see something that you just have to fix. Not that anyone has to worry about it.

One thing regarding the 25 vs 35 towing debate - at least we don't have to include the cost of a new towing vehicle in the budget