Funding Amnon Mike Cohen's inventions

[AmnonMikeCohen]

Originally Posted by Grant Nelson

humm, I have been many years involved in the commercialization of intellectual capital and property, and my experience is that success it made by those who aggressively market their ideas to investors, and do not focus on protection first. As far as I know your invention is covered from the day you disclose it via patent pending. That gives you 2 years before your patent is approved or denied. In either case if you focus on making business instead of protecting your idea, you will be far far ahead if the idea is valid. You can set up non-disclosure agreements with any of the people here who have offered to test your product and you are fully protected. If you are right, and they support you, then protection is not so important - better yet, you can use your patent as a counter licensing offer to others where you might want their technology, and they yours, or, if you are fighting, a trade in 'payment' so you are both happy with some new product ideas as well as having not paid anymoney for them? Trust is a big factor of course, but that goes both ways.

All you write, Mr. Grant Nelson, is true and valid; but I know and have taken these actions already, but can share with you privately the full details of my strategy and records already at the USA Patent office since April 1991 as well as ONR, IMD and my Corporate communications records.
I am not focused on protection, as I am already first to invent and first to file and first not to publish! If I did, I would have no Patent protection now, as I have no capital to take it to market, and only 3 years left on protection, and maybe see the product produce by someone who by passed my patent from reading its content and applying for another one.
As you know investors, you know they want the deal on theirs terms and seldom care about the invention or the inventor, just for start.

To get the full story, contact me by phone or email, from my personal corporate website - as the reason I am here, is to bring the opportunity and the technology to the readership of this website, as soon as the agreement and capital are in place to protect the investors' investment as well as the technology, from abuse and greed and intellectual piracy and the many negative elements related to bringing new knowhow to this industry.

My simple point, is do you know who invented the Trim Tabs, The Doel Fin and all copiers producing these products, or any of the many products sold to mariners?

[AmnonMikeCohen]

Originally Posted by messabout

Amnon;
You must forgive some of us for our high degree of skepticism. It is most difficult for us to wrap our heads around anything concerning water craft that is truly "revolutionary". You see there have been so many gifted boat designers and researcher who were and are chasing the same dream. You should be familiar with names like Herreshoff, Faltinsen, Hoerner, Fox, Hunt, Hickman,and countless other genius level individuals who have spent lifetimes in the pursuit of excellence. There are numerous universities, throughout the world, who have departments of naval architecture, hydrodynamis, and fluid mechanics. They are bastions of intellectual thought, in pursuit of breakthrough technology. So if we are skeptical, perhaps a bit amused at your presumption, please consider the people and institutions who went before you, and none of them discovered anything genuinely revolutionary.

Thanks for your reply, and skepticism is justified where there are no pictures and information detailing first what the invention simplified is about; and I also know there will be arguments after we share the information and what my invention is about, from all who has not experienced what the invention does along the wetted undersurface of the hull of theirs boat.

Your advice is good and sound, and true, but as you may not have worked with these people as I have, you may not know the full true story about what they work like when a smart inventor comes to work with them. If an inventor is seeking recognition and success without being business-wise, it works as you suggest; but when an inventor is wise and knows more then the people who are supposed to know better, it does not work - and my story, when and if it hits the news and future, will witness the reality about these institutions you are writing about and all the unfair ways they work so to keep people come to them with new ideas they may like to support.

I am not seeking my name to be added to the long list you are sharing, but will be there when and if my inventions, and the new related science, reaches the Maritime industry, first at the market places of the world.
The top scientist for NATO and ONR in the arts of naval architecture, and hydrodynamics for displacement hulls of fighting ships, was on my prototype, had been intrigued by my invention, has a copy of my confidential documents and was helpful in having me present the invention to the USA NAVY private R&D facility in Hawaii, where the wrong deal was offered to me, and why I am here so many years later, still looking for an honest proper deal from an honorable partner or investor.

[kengrome]

To comply with this website "boat design" objective we need to communicate privately on these issues ...

This may have been true when the thread was located somewhere else, but now that the owner of this forum has moved the thread into the "open discussion" section we are free to continue discussing these issues here.

Basically, Mr. Kenneth Grome, you are on target as to the legal way of going about it ...

This is good news then, so let us proceed ...

But my expectation is that there must be the interest and commitment by a principal investor or partner able to meet the terms of investment as described in my simple website.

Amnon, in the real world the terms are set by the investor, not by the borrower. Unfortunately you seem to be saying that you (the borrower) should have the right to control the terms of the investment. Is this correct?

[AmnonMikeCohen]

Dear Ken:
You seem to want to keep our more personal more private discussion, in the readers eye; as to our more particular business discussion, which is not of public interest, as readers had told me, as our discussion now, is going beyond my original wish to publicly share important Industry news with the readership of Boat Design website - a website where I hope to come back with freedom to be sharing the information on the yet new technology, when the new company to be formed will be offering its news to all readers who have expressed interest in knowing about my news - publishing document with pictures and more facts and findings as well as links to a new website with detailed information on the Product Line and Computerized Services we shall offer to Global consumers.

Since last Friday, I have an Asian investor from Florida, who already has the business plan and he has already asked me how we should proceed, and I have invited him to come and see and look at all the information, product, prototypes I have, and have a demonstration on open water, so he is comfortable with this investment by "looking under the hood and kicking the tires plus taking a ride" kind of evaluation, and also suggested we should look at any changes to my proposed business plan, as he like to be a active investor in the project, and we need to incorporate his involvement in the project, as an active partner. This is not a done deal, just potential good interest.
This is a sample of how I proceed, while I am hoping we shall be able to share the new knowhow with the Boat Design readership, and not frustrate some or many readers and members with my Trade Secrets kept and only with my supplying surface information to be shared with readers who like to improve the economy and performance of existing boats, or construct a new boat by employing my/our Superior Hulls design and technologies.

As a senior-member, I trust you know what are suggesting is OK with the owners and readership; but as you read this and my other related threads, many readers are not interested in our discussion and are not welcoming any discussion which has or seems to have private and advertising commercial interests - and where I found that most readers are hoping to see the real new news and not my showing only 'The Tip of this technology's iceberg"

The investor, found my project on the BX website I was writing about, where I am actually advertising the opportunity, as I was explaining to critics (not the skeptics) that I am not trying to bypass the focus of Boat Design website in sharing new and existing information plus help related to the knowhow and solutions plus the science of modern and original Maritime construction knowhow, as to refits, to use, and to applications of hull designs and improved speed plus better efficiency and superior performance, problem solving as well as all general "Good Boating" help, comradeship and open supportive free information sharing.

Again, you are welcome to our more private discussions as to investments' policies and lender plus borrower expectations; plus the more specific ways and business options which are related to my special and important commercial project itself, based on the new discovery based inventions and design - including Advanced R&D in the development of the yet new science for "Superior Surface Effects Technologies".

[duluthboats]

This thread started as a very good discussion of hull speed by Mike D, who no longer can contribute. It now seems to have become an add for snake oil. Please start your own thread.

[AmnonMikeCohen]

Snake Oil?
New art in Hull speed, is related; and I did start another thread on Superior Surface Effects and PowerFins UpGrade some time ago.
When technology is ready for publication, to readership; you will see that you are very wrong about what is Snake Oil and what is New Advanced Knowhow!

[duluthboats]

If you ever publish and I am wrong I will apologize. Until then please don’t attach these foggy hints to well established threads.
Gary

[Willallison]

AMC - MikeD was one of the most respected contibutors to this forum - those of us who have been lurking around here long enough to have known him are very protective about his work.
You will also find that in the main, the rest of us here are quite open-minded about advances in technology - so long as it's backed up by some evidence of proof of concept. When you are prepared to share this, then I think you'll find as many supporters here as anywhere.
Either way, Gary is correct - I too would suggest that this discussion is better placed in your own thread....

[kengrome]

Given the desire of several members to have this discussion moved, I have moved it to this new thread from the previous thread which was here:

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/sho...d.php?p=207881

Amnon, I wish to keep this discussion public so that I may use it later as a reference to demonstrate to my investors that you are not only reasonable, but also willing to openly discuss these issues and respond to my simple inquiries in a timely and professional manner.

Nothing we have discussed is private or personal. I have not asked you any questions that require a private or personal answer, and I will never do so in this forum. By keeping this preliminary portion of our discussions open in this public forum the investors will never question the authenticity of my statements, nor yours, because they can visit and see what each of us has posted here.

Are you willing to continue discussing this topic here in this new thread where no other members will have the right to complain about hijacking someone else's thread, and where no other members may complain about this thread being in the wrong location since it is created in the Open Discussions section of the forum?

[charmc]

Excellent idea, Ken. The only objections really were that Mike's claims were inserted into threads dealing with other topics and claims were made without supporting data. Nothing "wrong" with either practice, just not appropriate or productive.

In keeping with the traditions of this forum and Mike's stated objectives, a dedicated thread should allow sharing of at least some supporting data, so the concept can be discussed and evaluated. It's understood that full details can't always be revealed in the early stages of development, but there should be details of the performance enhancement that can be shared without revealing all the details of the mechanism.

Looking forward to hearing from Mike.

[masalai]

I think he has left. and no one even flamed him? - - but it was getting a bit tedious and boooooring without any technical details to analyse or discuss.....

[kengrome]

Amnon, you made this statement in the last thread:

Again, you are welcome to our more private discussions as to investments' policies and lender plus borrower expectations

I am waiting for you to proceed as you have proposed here -- by sending me a private email so we can continue our discussions -- but you have not emailed me privately nor have you responded to my inquiry in this or in any other forum thread.

Is there a problem?

[duluthboats]

This is not his first appearance, the last time was very much the same as this one. He jumps on to a highly rated thread and starts his sale pitch without ever saying anything of substance about what he is selling. When asked for details he just leaves.

I never met Mike D, but I would ask him dumb questions and he would answer them in easy to understand detail. I miss that guy.

I wish Mike Cohen well with his work but from what I have seen at this point it looks like:

“Snake Oil”
“The expression is applied metaphorically to any product with exaggerated marketing but questionable or unverifiable quality.”

Thanks for moving this down here.
Gary

[masalai]

Oh well, another drivel thread is started/available.?

[artemis]

Originally Posted by masalai

Oh well, another drivel thread is started/available.?

But we don't have Frosty or Bergie or any of those old salts. I suppose walrus is OK (as long as he doesn't try to drag in his carpenter friend). Sigh. That's it, we could make this thread about "sigh". You know: "Sighing in the rain, I'm just sighing in the..." "Across the sea to Sigh..." Lots of possibilities.