Wharram Tiki wrecked in Thailand

[sloopjb]

The 'Low price catamarans' thread which unfotunately degenerated into a farce was however an informative insight into the ramifications of building 'at a distance' . The experiences of the dissatisfied customers and the reaction to their complaints were astounding. It would seem that one customer was quite correct in doubting the seaworthyness of his newly completed Tiki 38.

[peterAustralia]

There are a couple threads about this

am not sure who is right

the idea that the unfinished boat, broke anchor in a storm, hit the shore and only then broke in 2, sounds plausible. An alternative explanation is plausible too. The trouble is that there is no independent auditor - examiner to get to the bottom of the entire episode.

I think the moderator is not too keen for this thread to continue, so chances are he will kill it very quickly, as is his right.

[sloopjb]

Yes Peter, it is unclear what happened though it is coincidental. She was supposedly in a Marina in Pattaya when her mast fell, breaking the crossbeams. The boat was up for sale and had sailed about 500 Nm. so is describing her as unfinished some kind of mitigation? And I thought plausable deniabilty was the realm of crooked politicians...

[propshaft]

Originally Posted by sloopjb

Yes Peter, it is unclear what happened though it is coincidental. She was supposedly in a Marina in Pattaya when her mast fell, breaking the crossbeams.

The boat was anchored outside of marina, unattended, not in marina. Looks like hulls and beams are not damaged.

[RHP]

Thats very sad, whatever the circumstances. I was at that marina 8 months ago and saw the yacht.

[peterAustralia]

in defence to the boat builder if you look at the photos it does appear that the lashings failed.

The beams appear unbroken and the lashings are frayed. So evidence suggest in this case the reason for breakup was the lashings failing under huge loads they were not designed for

If the hull was built badly, then you would expect the lashings to hold and the beams or hull to fail.

Maybe it was rot in the lashings, maybe the lashings were done by someone else.

I cant comment on the boat company, I do not know if they are good or not. But in this case it does appear that it was the lashings that failed, not bad boat building practice. Was not the builders fault that the anchor failed. We do not know who did the lashings and if they used the right rope.

I know the builder has been getting a bit of biffo, but looking at the photos, in this case looks as though he did nothing wrong

[sloopjb]

Peter, you say that "in this case looks as though he did nothing wrong" and that the responsible party is whoever fitted the inadequate lashings. That looks like a contradiction to me...and reminds me of the Shaggy song. How did it go again?? Oh yes..."It wasn't me.."
Again your post is all about plausible deniabilty....

[propshaft]

Originally Posted by sloopjb

Peter, you say that "in this case looks as though he did nothing wrong" and that the responsible party is whoever fitted the inadequate lashings. That looks like a contradiction to me...and reminds me of the Shaggy song. How did it go again?? Oh yes..."It wasn't me.."
Again your post is all about plausible deniabilty....

sloopjp, seems like you are next flusher here. Your posts are biased gossips, no facts.

Was the boat on water for 7-8 months? Did the owner provide any maintenance of lashings? If the boat is anchored unattended next to fishing village, could fishermen cut the ropes?

This accident proves only one thing: Tiki idea with ropes does not work today.

[sloopjb]

Propshaft. it also looks like you might be the builder in question. I understand the boat has remained in the builders possession throughout and was being offered for sale by him at the time of her demise. Surely he is then responsible for maintenance and providing adeqate supervision.

[propshaft]

Originally Posted by sloopjb

Propshaft. it also looks like you might be the builder in question.

No, but I keep my boat in that marina.

I understand the boat has remained in the builders possession throughout and was being offered for sale by him at the time of her demise. Surely he is then responsible for maintenance and providing adeqate supervision.

Is that Your guess, or You know it for sure? Can You prove that boat belongs to the builder? Can You post a copy of her registration certificate saying that 'builder in question' is the owner?

[propshaft]

What sloopjb said, summary:

Lie #1

She was supposedly in a Marina in Pattaya

Now we know that she was anchored outside

Lie #2

when her mast fell, breaking the crossbeams

We can see from photos that crossbeams are not broken

Lie #3

inadequate lashings

Is there any proof of that? Was the boat surveyed? Can You post photo of 'inadequate lashing' or survey report?

Lie #4

boat has remained in the builders possession

There is no proof of that.

Keep posting sloopjb, I like Your posts... but defamation should be better prepared.

[sloopjb]

My intention in posting was that I thought that the demise of the boat should be brought to the notice of the many who read the original thread.
That thread deseves an epilogue, not a sequel, Propshaft.
The boat is posted for sale on BahtSold as a repossession.

[propshaft]

Originally Posted by sloopjb

My intention in posting was that I thought that the demise of the boat should be brought to the notice of the many who read the original thread.
That thread deseves an epilogue, not a sequel, Propshaft.

You are mixing facts with Your own guesses and thus mislead the readers.

The boat is posted for sale on BahtSold as a repossession.

OK, that post says:
http://www.bahtsold.com/detail.php?id=43092
Category: Boats & Marine Sale/Rent
Area: East Coast
City: Pattaya
Contact Name: Jaap G. Kla...
Telephone: 081.....
Description: Built '09 in Thailand Design James Wharram Designs Reposession: Paid Bt. 7.5 mil....

Now my question is: where do You see name of builder???

[Squidly-Diddly]

needing lash their own stuff just prior to the storm.

[propshaft]

Seems like sloopjb is pissed off and will run away...
But new just registered clones with single post will join the thread