Wharram Tiki wrecked in Thailand

[Nordic Cat]

The photographic evidence on the beam troughs is shocking!

This by a company that claims to be ISO 9000 certified to build boats (again falsely so).

How are you going to explain this Mr. RB? Either you are not managing your company for some reason, or else you are incompetent. Regardless of the reason, what we have now seen evidence of means that you are not beyond putting your customers lives at risk to make a quick buck.

SHAME ON YOU *****.

I am beginning to believe that even some of the more weird claims about you might actually be true.

Alan

[raoul bianchett]

[quote=warmat;

This person is the owner or five Wharram Tiki's including two T38's and two T30's on Phuket Island. I chartered one of the T30's a few years ago a week before the Tusnami. Just after arriving back in New Zealand I saw the T30 on the evening news as it was hit by the Tusnami wave and violently washed ashore.

Now what was interesting is that it not only hit the shore at high speed riding on the face of the wave but it hit a jumble of broken concrete and steel girders.

Warren Matthews[/QUOTE]


Hi Warren ,

i would recommend to build your Tiki 38 in steel ; a bit heavy may be but you can handle a daily tsunami :-)


If they had sailed a Tiki 38 instead of the Titanic ...would have been the iceberg to sink !

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Dear Warren ,

we have been requested to build a light boat ; the original Tiki design is extremely heavy and slow ;

Creed was close to buy a Pahi 52 here in Pattaya at that time ; built as from plans : cannot tack without start the motors , as many of these boats . ( and sailing fast as a rock )

We built a light boat , very fast and easy to tack ; pointing in the wind very well and can see how high is floating ; with 10 persons aboard is still floating high .

May be cannot hit the beach , but if you want do this , better buy a dune buggy !

[raoul bianchett]

This by a company that claims to be ISO 9000 certified to build boats (again falsely so).

Now we upgrated to ISO 9001-2001 :-)

I see that you still need to upgrade , instead .

I take the opportunity , to add a photo of yesterday launch of a new vessel

Envy can be dangerous , Nordic Donkey , be careful to the blood vessels :-)

[raoul bianchett]

http://multihull.com.au/site/Launchings.html

surprisingly, on this magazine , it is published the launching of an RB 38 but i could not find any Tiki 38 .

[Nordic Cat]

Originally Posted by ***** bianchett

This by a company that claims to be ISO 9000 certified to build boats (again falsely so).

Now we upgrated to ISO 9001-2001 :-)

I see that you still need to upgrade , instead .

I take the opportunity , to add a photo of yesterday launch of a new vessel

Envy can be dangerous , Nordic Donkey , be careful to the blood vessels :-)

The current standard is ISO 9001-2008.

Can you show us an ISO 9001 certificate stating that RB Boats is certified to design and build sailing boats and power boats?

Calling people names really doesn't do much to enhance your image as a right minded and nice person to deal with *****.

Regarding the envy part, would it perhaps be because I don't have one of those boxy cats on the picture above? Seems like you can't look forward out of the saloon but for some small hatches? Not a boat for me, sorry.

Is the rig made of wood? Will it rot within a year as seen on one of the boats you delivered?

It seems that RB boats have carved out a special niche in the multihull market: poor quality workmanship, false claims and an obnoxious owner with an attitude problem.

Next step is that you will threaten me with your lawyers? Ask for the thread to be closed and deleted? Threaten the forum owner with a lawsuit?

Pretty repeatable behaviour, one just needs to push a button or 2, not even in any predefined firing order and "we have ignition!"

Alan

[rwatson]

Its easy to build a "pretty boat". After reading the relevant blog entries about the Tiki build, I am surprised that ***** has the "face" to fling insults around like that.

No way I would buy one of the supposed "boats" from this yard

[raoul bianchett]

Its easy to build a "pretty boat" !!!!!!

it is a post that comments itself ;

it takes 20 years to become a constructor ; years to learn about timber , resins ...years to learn how to properly weld stainless and aluminum .... years to learn about furniture building ....only learn about varnishing a boat it is time consuming .

Years to learn about the rigs ;


Years to learn about engine installation ;

It took to me 11 years and half to teach a thai crew how to build a proper boat ;

But we are now all amused by this comment :

'it is easy to build a pretty boat '

written by somebody that probably call the mechanic to change a flat tire .

You don't want to buy a boat ..... you are right , rwatson , start with a tricycle as we all did .

[raoul bianchett]

Originally Posted by Laughingcruiser

This boatyard’s specialty seems to be building “Gin Palaces” that are targeted towards a specific nouveaux riche who are not very boat savvy.

The structural integrity of these wallowing “Ice cream cakes” will rarely if ever be sea tested; they will probably never sail or travel anywhere.

In my opinion these tasteless “Gin Palaces” are destined to be marina fixtures, probably for a clientele that is not very boat savvy but has an overwhelming desire to make a statement rather than to sail.

If only they knew!

Just received an email from the lucky owner of our T 60 " The New Moon" ; they sailed during the whole summer from Turkey to Spain , via Greece , Italy and France . Enjoyed their boats , no inconveniences .

RB boats in this exact moments are sailing in many countries ;

When , you ,Laughingcruiser and other posters , sailed last time ? Or are you trying to dig a hole in your armchair , to leave a sign of your presence in the world ?

[Laughingcruiser]

*****, there are some boat builders who claim to have had 20 years experience, unfortunately many of them with 20 years experience have only had 12 months experience 20 times.

[raoul bianchett]

i recently heard that Alaska is looking to purchase some new ice breakers , to finally clear the north west passage ;

I took the freedom to recommend Mr. Warren ' s Tiki 38 ( built from the original plans ) as the obvious solution .

[Laughingcruiser]

Mr. **********, the problem you have is that one of your customers terminated their contract with you and then shipped the incomplete project to New Zealand.

Unfortunately for you your incomplete work was easily assessed by independent boat building professionals whose findings indicate that you are less than honest.

Unfortunately for you your worst night mare is unfolding, shoddy work practices compromising seaworthiness and safety have been exposed.

Luckily Warren Mathews had the good sense to follow his intuition and terminate your contract early into the build. If he had not had the good sense to do this then your poor workmanship, cost cuts and unauthorized departure from specifications would have been hidden beneath layers of glass and epoxy.

Mr. **********, you have been exposed, your position is clearly indefensible and no amount of arrogant denial posted on this thread will save you.

Clearly you are a person whose business ethics are questionable, a pathologically greedy individual whose greed knows no limits when in pursuit of an easy dollar.

In my opinion you belong in the boat builder’s hall of shame.

[rwatson]

Originally Posted by ***** bianchett

i recently heard that Alaska is looking to purchase some new ice breakers , to finally clear the north west passage ;

I took the freedom to recommend Mr. Warren ' s Tiki 38 ( built from the original plans ) as the obvious solution .

The term "built" and the term "original plans" do not compute.

This is what you get when you do business with a country whose legal system depends on "who you know".

[raoul bianchett]

"Clearly you are a person whose business ethics are questionable, a pathologically greedy individual whose greed knows no limits when in pursuit of an easy dollar."


Dear Sir ,

***** ********** is only the Managing Director of RB Power & Sailing Co.;Ltd ;

we applied the Boatbuilding Agreements that Customers signed ; ( these agreements are available on request to be studied ; they are pretty standard and easy to understand ) ;

I am not particularly greedy , myself as person , but if you don't mind , with my personal salary , i will do whatever i like .

About the businness , RB Power & Sailing Co.;Ltd. and the other companies of the group , sometimes involved , ...how can a Company be defined .."greedy" ??

Our group just follow the Contracts , that have been read , studied , checked and signed by the Customers ;

If the customer breach his contract , for example refusing a payment that has been invoiced and it is technically due as foreseen by the contract .... the company will just apply the contract that foresees :

1. notification of the due payment

2. after 28 further days , charge of modest interests ( 4 % over the OD rate )
3. after 28 further days , and notifications , there is the Termination of the Contract

4. the Customer still got further 28 days to pay , or the boat get sold .

Is this a greedy behavior , or illegal , or ethically questionable ?

It seems to me , that we give plenty of opportunities to the customers , to pay , if they want .

All possibilities are foreseen in the Contract , and we usually send a copy to the customers to read , some days in advance ;

So why they are surprised about consecuencies ?

I am a simple man and i don't have the answer , so i will leave it to the public to answer .

[raoul bianchett]

[quote=rwatson;

This is what you get when you do business with a country whose legal system depends on "who you know".[/QUOTE]



Dear Watson ,


do you live in a country whose legal system DON'T depend on 'who you knows' ?

Are you really so naive to believe that in US or Australia or anywhere in Europe ( i don't even mention my country , Italy ) relations are not important ?

Do you get a bank loan independently by who you are or who you know ?

If you uncle is a famous doctor , you get the same threatment in the hospital ?

My dear Watson ! unfortunately the world is not perfect and on december 24 th , don't waste your time on the terrace ( not a problem in Thailand but could be cold overthere ) as Santa will not come ;

Let me add that Thai Courts work properly and pretty efficient ; surely better then in Italy ;

[raoul bianchett]

[quote=Laughingcruiser;298163]Mr. **********, the problem you have is that one of your customers terminated their contract with you and then shipped the incomplete project to New Zealand.

Mr. Laughingcruiser ,


Mr. Warren came to my office one day ; he said could have been easier for him to complete his project near his home town in NZ ;

I warned him that he would have removed a partially completed boat , in condition of
WHERE IS AS IT IS

without any warranty as another builder was going to complete the work ( in the meantime another builder will not guarantee the work as well ,as not all will been performed there)

As it is obvious and as i explained to Mr. Warren , a money loss was sure : a deposit and a stage payment had been paid at that time already . He accepted and he expected this . Good for him .

The Customer did not give us time , to complete anything , just sign and go ;

I was expecting problems from him - i learned to evaluate the persons , with this work - , this is why i asked him to sign the delivery document , as he did ;

Another option could have been :

Let RB complete the work ;

negotiate an extended guarantee and discuss with the yard the points that we were not willing to guarantee and understand why we did not want to guarantee the rudder lashings , for example .

Let us launch the vessel and in case of malfunctioning , just apply the Contract , that is there and has been signed for the reason to protect both Parties ;

But Mr. Warren proceeded in another way , suffered some damages , and ignored all the recommendations .

End of the serious answers