Veal Heel for Multihull Foilers

[Chris Ostlind]

Originally Posted by waynemarlow

Sadly Chris I'm not as verbose as yourself and deal only with real life detail.

You asked of my opinion and I have openly stated previously that Dougs idea probably will not work, but not for the reasons you list. At 30 + knots a skipper is not going to be sat out on the outer Ama, physically that would be impossible due to the G forces involved and that is largely your contention that of the skipper dipping his arse into the water.

Some Foilers do rely on controlled downward pull on the windward Ama, the Rave and Trifoiler are two examples. As to additional foils coming into play, in theory yes they may on paper work, in practice the complexity of operation would overcome any gain they would make through increased drag and weight considerations.

However we must be able to explore these ideas without self proclaimed evangelists of the hating foiling variety trying to butt in. New ideas are few and far between, any idea sensibly discussed can lead onto other better ideas being introduced from that one not so good idea.

Yes, it is my contention and shall remain so, until proven incorrect by said boat actually getting out on the water.

Both Rave and Trifoiler are incredibly poor examples for you to iterate, as they both have their skippers sitting within the central pod, have leeward t-foils out on the ends of rather long arms and are not, in any way similar to the boat being proposed. Please find another example which is much more like said craft and we can talk. Until then, the argument is moot from your side of the table.

[redreuben]

Now Chris its time you and I had a bet with each other. I bet you cannot refrain from making any post on Boat Design for 1 week as I think your whole life has become addicted to reading and making comment on sailing forums. Equally I won't make any further comment for 1 week.

I have a better idea, Dougie builds a foiler and Chris O makes plans available for all the renderings he has posted, I dont recommend anyone holds their breath!http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/ima...es/biggrin.gif

[Paul B]

Originally Posted by waynemarlow

At 30 + knots a skipper is not going to be sat out on the outer Ama, physically that would be impossible due to the G forces involved

What G Forces are you talking about? Can you elaborate?

Someone better tell the Moth sailors and catamaran sailors and V70 sailors and Maxi Boat sailors that it is "physically impossible" to sit where they normally sit while at speed in big conditions.

[Chris Ostlind]

Originally Posted by redreuben

Now Chris its time you and I had a bet with each other. I bet you cannot refrain from making any post on Boat Design for 1 week as I think your whole life has become addicted to reading and making comment on sailing forums. Equally I won't make any further comment for 1 week.

I have a better idea, Dougie builds a foiler and Chris O makes plans available for all the renderings he has posted

No bet, Reuben. No need to do so. When you become the sherriff in these parts, you get to have a say as to how many posts are to be allowable in a given period. Seeing as how you're not the man, it's just way out of your control. Make the same offer to Doug, or any of a number of other dudes on this forum, since they post far more frequently than do I and I'll have a listen.

As for plans for renderings.... they are coming along at a good clip, now, along with three custom commissions at the moment. If it's built boats that matter to you, then I have out-built Mr. Lord by a two-to-one margin in the same time period. That's two boats completed, measured against one that is not. So, in real terms, it's a far greater margin of output... all while maintaining a completely separate professional career. Doug does have me beat in one category, though. He's been banned from Sailing Anarchy, as well as at least one other boat related forum, and I've not been involved with that bit of fame.

So, now what shall we talk about?

[redreuben]

How about Boat Design ?

[Chris Ostlind]

I started a new design thread right here in the Multihull section, called Europa 20 Beach trimaran. Please feel free to comment on that thread, if it is boat design conversations you seek.

[uk_brownie]

Originally Posted by Chris Ostlind

Now, if you're interested in starting a Chris O Fan Club, which it appears you are well on your way to accomplishing with all your posts on my fine self, then I hereby designate you as Guardian of the Eternal Candle Flame in the lavishly appointed clubhouse loo.

A commemorative t-shirt, tastefully emblazoned with your official title, will be on its way as soon as you supply your home address.

Wayne; Just a kind, fatherly note... it's always best to do your homework before spewing in front of a gathered mob. Eventually, nobody will care what shirt you are wearing and they'll all simply have their way with you.

LOL.................the irony.

[uk_brownie]

Originally Posted by Chris Ostlind

Make the same offer to Doug, or any of a number of other dudes on this forum, since they post far more frequently than do I and I'll have a listen.

Your post count is far higher than Dougs.

Originally Posted by Chris Ostlind

As for plans for renderings.... they are coming along at a good clip, now, along with three custom commissions at the moment.

The lunadadesign domain has been registered since 2005-06-21, how long does it take to produce a plan from the renderings on your website?

Be very interested to see some of your designs that customers have built and that are sailing today, I'm sure there must be quite a few out there now?

[Chris Ostlind]

Originally Posted by uk_brownie

Your post count is far higher than Dougs.

Yes, I suspect that your are very confused. It's one of the prices that one pays for being a newbie and not doing one's homework. Doug kicked himself off this forum some time back and then in a fit of rage, signed himself back on after a month, or so. When he dumped it, he had created something like 4,000+ posts. So, once again, my forlorn friend, please do some research.

Originally Posted by uk_brownie

The lunadadesign domain has been registered since 2005-06-21, how long does it take to produce a plan from the renderings on your website?

Be very interested to see some of your designs that customers have built and that are sailing today, I'm sure there must be quite a few out there now?

Registration of a domain merely means that I was securing the potential in advance of actually needing it. Read up on Internet strategy when it comes to domain names. Consult with an expert if you need to, but please, stop doing this to yourself.

Brown Boy... this pair of posts on your part is where the real irony of having not done your homework emerges in the real world, as you should know it.

Laters...

[Zed]

I'm still looking for the Zona 65 plans, are they done yet?

[uk_brownie]

Originally Posted by Chris Ostlind

Brown Boy... this pair of posts on your part is where the real irony of having not done your homework emerges in the real world, as you should know it.

Laters...

Please educate me then, I would be very interested to see some of your designs that customers have built and that are sailing today, I'm sure there must be quite a few out there now? Or shall I start a new thread as I do not want to spoil this thread any further