Thailand Sailing Multihulls

[Swabber]

Originally Posted by Gerard Kennedy

What sort of cat??

Hello Gerard, are you a yacht builder in Thailand ?

I am looking at buying or building a fiberglass Sailing Catamaran about 35 foot long with a good sailing speed, also that would make a good crusing-liveaboard boat for two people.

Reading the other blog, seems like some people have had some problems with boats made in Thailand. I just wish to avoid the same problems.

Thanks
Swabber

[propshaft]

Buy production model if You have the money, will have no problems. No one will be interested to build custom 35-footer...

[RB PowerSailing]

Originally Posted by propshaft

Buy production model if You have the money, will have no problems. No one will be interested to build custom 35-footer...

one of our customers is selling his 34' cat as moving back to Norway . The boat is in Kho Chang and has been used only few times .

http://www.ladysampan.dk/


RB 34 is a production model , with 7 units built in only 18 months .

Originally Posted by RB PowerSailing

ok , so we don't have the name of the cheap Marina of Germany

i don't know why , but i suspected this would have happened .


Your datas are based on fantasy .

Hello Power sailing, cynism sometimes makes a bad image of yourself!
I am pretty shure Apex (Richard) knows marina rates in Monaco well, it is, or was, his homeport for at least 12 years.
His smaller Yachts are on display (sometimes) at -Marina Sonwik- in Flensburg, and that is a very good and cheap marina! Maybe not the number one, but really top!
Have a nice day, Sasha Medwedew

[RB PowerSailing]

Originally Posted by M-Sasha

Hello Power sailing, cynism sometimes makes a bad image of yourself!
I am pretty shure Apex (Richard) knows marina rates in Monaco well, it is, or was, his homeport for at least 12 years.
His smaller Yachts are on display (sometimes) at -Marina Sonwik- in Flensburg, and that is a very good and cheap marina! Maybe not the number one, but really top!
Have a nice day, Sasha Medwedew

Hello Sasha

ok , i agree with you . but please less then 400 Euros / month for a mooring of an 80' ..this is not realistic .

It would be nice , but unfortunately not realistic .


It could have a river of some place where to moor a boat this size for small money , but surely without the level of service that if offered for example by Ocean Marina .

Thailand Marinas are waay to expensive and a kind of snobbish institutions that i personally find very unfriendly and annoying .

But from here to mention the ripping off of the western sailor , this is waay different .

Kho Chang marinas are simple but very cheap and if we compare their prices with the rest of the world , then everybody else is cheating . Surely not the case .

This is why i reacted , i am sorry for the cynism , it was not my intention . Anyway the datas reported by some posters , are not correct , and can be easily checked .

Thanks

RB

[dutz]

Originally Posted by RB PowerSailing

one of our customers is selling his 34' cat as moving back to Norway . The boat is in Kho Chang and has been used only few times .

http://www.ladysampan.dk/


RB 34 is a production model , with 7 units built in only 18 months .

Smart move. Get rid anything having to do with RB as soon as possible. Cut you losses quick. Of course the slowdown in the Thai tourist industry doesn't help matters.

Originally Posted by RB PowerSailing

Hello Sasha
ok , i agree with you . but please less then 400 Euros / month for a mooring of an 80' ..this is not realistic .
It would be nice , but unfortunately not realistic .
This is why i reacted , i am sorry for the cynism , it was not my intention . Anyway the datas reported by some posters , are not correct , and can be easily checked .
RB

Sorry Power Sailing, like it or leave it, the figures given are absolutely correct, and in case of my berth in "Sonwik Marina" include even water, electricity, and cable tv! It´s easy to find out via Internet, although I am not used to give proof of my statements!!!
Andre Aureglia, the harbourmaster of Port Hercule, will be less than amused to notice what you implied here! That man will never take any sort of "Bakshish" as you insinuate. And if you are used with Monte Carlo customs, as you claim, you should know that. As well as the fact, that rates in Monaco are in free fall since 2 - 3 years. I agree, some yachts of similar size even paid $ 85.000 in the past, but my contract dates from 1989. And I mentioned rates on annual contracts here only!
And stop telling me sort of liar here.

Alexander, old friend, thank you for your contribution, but let me fight for my colours myself, please. And I´m not happy that you disclosed some insider facts here!
Are you in Odessa at present? Give me a call on my mobile if! I´ll rush there next weekend from Stambul then.
Regards
Richard

[RWJ]

Swabber,

Go talk with Bob at MTG in Australia. In business since the 50s. Great reputation with build investment protection in place.

Tiki 38 custom. 139,534 US$
Grainger 35 custom 210,000 US$ Daggerboards or mini keels.
7-9 month delivery.
Well equipped to sail away.
Modern construction, computer cutting, vacuum bagging etc. etc.

http://www.multihullstogo.com.au/

These are good people to work with.

Good sailing,

[RB PowerSailing]

Originally Posted by apex1

Sorry Power Sailing, like it or leave it, the figures given are absolutely correct, and in case of my berth in "Sonwik Marina" include even water, electricity, and cable tv! It´s easy to find out via Internet, although I am not used to give proof of my statements!!!
Andre Aureglia, the harbourmaster of Port Hercule, will be less than amused to notice what you implied here! That man will never take any sort of "Bakshish" as you insinuate. And if you are used with Monte Carlo customs, as you claim, you should know that. As well as the fact, that rates in Monaco are in free fall since 2 - 3 years. I agree, some yachts of similar size even paid $ 85.000 in the past, but my contract dates from 1989. And I mentioned rates on annual contracts here only!
And stop telling me sort of liar here.

Alexander, old friend, thank you for your contribution, but let me fight for my colours myself, please. And I´m not happy that you disclosed some insider facts here!
Are you in Odessa at present? Give me a call on my mobile if! I´ll rush there next weekend from Stambul then.
Regards
Richard

Ok , to be precise i worked there 13-14 years ago . Things surely changed .
After 11 years in Thailand i did not know about the dropping of the prices in Monaco . Believe me , at that time , prices were higher and find a mooring was impossible without good connections . Longtime already , seems yesterday .

[RB PowerSailing]

Originally Posted by dutz

Smart move. Get rid anything having to do with RB as soon as possible. Cut you losses quick. Of course the slowdown in the Thai tourist industry doesn't help matters.

Welcome back Dutz !

Same armchair , same ******** . Congratulation , the world is moving around you .... one day eventually you will notice it ..

vaffanculo ...

[propshaft]

Originally Posted by apex1

I mentioned rates on annual contracts here only!

So now we know the truth - that is annual rate!
It is very smart to compare annual rate with rate for visiting multihulls. Very smart!
On the same basis, You can also comapre rate in hotel in Thailand (rip-off! rip-off!) with rate of rental house in Germany

[Swabber]

Originally Posted by RB PowerSailing

And in Your Country ?


Bayliners built in Your country are very famous all over the world . Not for the quality .



WOW !! What a tip ..... Idiot .

This RB guy calls me an Idiot.....then he tries to sell me a boat !!!!

A real class act !!

Swabber

[RB PowerSailing]

Originally Posted by Swabber

This RB guy calls me an Idiot.....then he tries to sell me a boat !!!!

A real class act !!

Swabber

Gentleman , i am not looking for customers - especially here- , and i am NOT interested in selling anything to you . Please use ANY other boatyard and forget about RB .


If you can read , please see my email , you will discover that i said that one of our customers is selling his boat . He is selling his boat , not me .

Com'on , a little effort and eventually you will understand ...

I called you idiot .... you are conferming my guess

[RB PowerSailing]

Originally Posted by propshaft

So now we know the truth - that is annual rate!
It is very smart to compare annual rate with rate for visiting multihulls. Very smart!
On the same basis, You can also comapre rate in hotel in Thailand (rip-off! rip-off!) with rate of rental house in Germany

Well said . Agreed at 100 %

[dutz]

Originally Posted by Swabber

Hello All,

I am looking for information on building a new sailing catamaran in Thailand.

Can I recieve information from people who have built catamarans in Thailand.

Thanks
Swabber

The best advice, as stated by others is to investigate the used boat market first in your home country then in other easily accessible countrys keeping a close eye on exchange rates.

If for some reason you absolutely have to build your custom design in Thailand and you have builder skills, language skills, and a sense of adventure investigate renting a site, hiring labor and building yourself. Alternatively, you could take advantage of the current economic climate, become a vulture capitalist and take your cash to Thailand, visit the boatyards and bid on abandoned, incomplete projects.

There is anecdotal evidence of the happy client, but they don't post here. We sorely need their expertise and guidance.

Custom building in a foreign country is very risky unless you can have complete trust in the builder. Like the builder is a member of your immediate family or his family, in your country, lives in a house that you own. Basically, you need some power and leverage on the builder because if you are a foreigner, he has all the power. He has your money (client always pays in advance). He has your boat in his possession. He has the goodwill of his employees, local vendors, local courts, etc. You may find some verbal sympathy for your plight "I'm so sorry for your loss" in the event you get screwed. But no real monetary compensation.

What is in it for local brokers, marina owners, yacht club members, vendors, court system, etc. to side with you? Absolutely nothing. In a few weeks you are gone. Your boat is sold at auction to a very happy buyer who got a hell of a deal 90% funded by you. If you were so naive to have taken the civil court route then you've left money in the hands of local attorneys too.

That promised 40% cost savings from low labor costs can get eaten up really fast and in the worst case as per the infamous "Low Price Catamaran" thread can turn into a 100% loss.

On the other hand perhaps only the disgruntled minority posts here. The happy majority, having gotton good value for money are out there enjoying their boats then selling them on the used market for a good price. Find out who are the best builders by seeing if their boats retain value relative to similar boats, ex. at brokerage http://www.leemarine.com/brokerage_2.php?type=sail
or any brokerage. At the brokerage website search on your favorite builders name to see if any owner feels that the builder's name conveys a positive recommendation of the boat.

In the final analysis, the only thing of value that you have that the builder wants is cash. The client always pays in advance. As the boat progresses there is less and less incentive for the builder to please you because his future cash flow from you has decreased. In fact the incentive for the builder may be to force you out of the picture all together by unscrupulous means because he already has a buyer on the sidelines who will give him more for your boat then is owed in the last stage payment thereby increasing the builders profit margin. This can happen if the owner puts some "sweat equity" into his boat by supervising construction in place of the builder and doing a better job thereby attracting vulture buyers "in the know".

cheers