Small tri ( 17 ~ 23 f )

[murban]

Hello all designers, builders, sailors ....

I am in the process of choosing the right design for small tri.
All I want is a two person small tri with a "spartan" accomodation ( tent in/on cockpit or small cuddy cabin). Max lenght 23`, max weight 800kg, must be trailable, simple building method (plywood + glass + epoxy).

After looking a lot on internet, these are currently my favorites :

W17 by Mike Waters http://www.smalltrimarandesign.com/T...w17-plans.html

Sardine run http://hensevalyd-english.jimdo.com/...ine-run-5-50m/

Discovery 20 http://www.chriswhitedesigns.com/tri.../discovery_20/

CC Cylone 23 http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/m...gallery?KID=55

I would like to hear your opinion which design to choose, or if you have any alternatives to this designs.

THX a lot,

Greetings,

Miha

[captainsideburn]

well,
I was in the same situation wondering which design in that size bracket, although I hadn't come across the interesting marples design.
The other 2 to consider is our own Gary Baigent's
Alternative to marvelous Buccaneer 24
also have a look at Newicks Tremolino
http://www.tremolinotri.com/

[murban]

Another alternative ( although a little bit small ) :

Scarab 16 http://www.teamscarab.com.au/scarab16/design.html

scarab 18 (650, 670) are also great BUT, I think there would be a problem building a foldinig mechanism (laser cutting / price ....)

[cavalier mk2]

Don't forget the Cross 18, it folds and the plans are affordable.

[Richard Woods]

For those who haven't seen it, this is one of the best general sites for small trimarans

http://smalltrimarans.com/blog/

I hope you'll add my Strike 18 to the list. 14 sets of plans sold since Christmas.

Richard Woods of Woods Designs

www.sailingcatamarans.com

[Chris Ostlind]

One of my solutions for a comfortable, easy to build and sail, coastal cruising trimaran that can sleep two is the A225 shown below.

This is a 22'6" demountable boat built in stitch and glue marine plywood with epoxy/glass laminates. The sail rig is split into a low aspect yawl setup for trimming and boat control throughout a wide variety of wind and sail angles.

Sleeping arrangments can be varied from two in the main cabin, to one in the main cabin and one on the cockpit deck with a simple tent. Adventurous persons could go so far as to rig the boat for a full, side to side enclosure the includes the tramps and the cockpit.

[bruceb]

I like the design of the sardine run best- but it is de-mountable, not foldable. That can really make a difference, even on a boat this light. Other than that, there is a lot going for the design; it is from a very qualified designer, it has a real interior, and a prototype has been built. It also looks as if it should sail well and should be easy to construct. Bruce

[Team Scarab]

Hi Murban,
The plans for the Scarab 18 have all the dimensions required to loft and cut the hull panels and bulkheads. No laser cutting required there, just a jig saw.
The aluminium arms for the folding system are water cut, the equipment for this seems to be available in most cities where there is some industry. We live in the bush 45km from the nearest large town and have an engineering shop just up the road (10km) where I can get my folding system components cut at a very reasonable cost. The Scarab 16 requires no water jet cutting as the folding system is different to the 18.
My personal Scarab 18 will be ready to launch in about one month. The main hull is sitting up on the trailer and the floats will be attached tomorrow, all chain plates, cleats etc are fitted. The inside is painted and the cushions have been made. I have had a Tornado mainsail cut down and reef points added and will shorten the mast and paint it. Hope to have many photos and videos available soon.
Ray Kendrick
Team scarab

[murban]

Hello Ray,

I have just received study plans for Scarab 16, I willl also order study plans for Scarab 18. In the meantime a have also contacted engineering shop nearby and they said that there will be no problem with cutting parts for folding mechanisem.

By the way I really like the design of Scarab tris.

[luckystrike]

Originally Posted by murban

Hello Ray,By the way I really like the design of Scarab tris.

Murban: Then you should go with the scarab trimaran. They have serious advantages over the open deck boats. It's a good thing to have a dry bunk and dry stored clothes after a wet day on the water. If you can handle the work and cost consider to build the 650. Looking after the design it offers a lot more possibilities for serious cruising as well as racing.

Ray, perhaps it's a good idea to offer a alternative version with the old tube and seastay beams as a cost and time effective alternative to the folding boats. Builders will save a lot of work and have the possibilities to "recycle" broken aluminium masts which costs mostly a sixpack of beer. Following my experiences most folding tri's stay in their sailing mode all the time if they are in the water.

Grrreetings from the North Sea Coast, Michel

[oldsailor7]

[quote] Ray, perhaps it's a good idea to offer a alternative version with the old tube and seastay beams as a cost and time effective alternative to the folding boats. Builders will save a lot of work and have the possibilities to "recycle" broken aluminium masts which costs mostly a sixpack of beer. Following my experiences most folding tri's stay in their sailing mode all the time if they are in the water. Grrreetings from the North Sea Coast,
Michel (Quote)

Well said Michel.

Murban, If you can stretch your requirement to 7.3 M, you can't go past the well proven Buccaneer 24 (actually 23' 9").
Strong, fast, easy and QUICK to build, it sleeps Three in comfort, the sheltered cockpit seats Four in comfort and above all it is not a glorified beach cat like some of those mentioned above. It uses no expensive materials, even the mast, boom and prodder are plain alloy tubing, as are the crossbeams. Stock sails are available as a complete set from Lee sails at a very competitive cost. Simple wood epoxy construction, with no complex boatbuilding techniques required. Hundreds have been built by people from all walks of life and I have yet to hear of one capsizing. It was---and still is Lock Crowthers best selling design.

[trokril]

And, you do not need to go far.... and do some seatrials.
Check it out:http://www.trokril.com
Please contact me if you need some more info.

[idkfa]

TROKRIL,

where is the centerboard positioned, in the cockpit or cabin? I don't see the top access of it, tks.

[trokril]

Hi there,
it is positioned in the cabin, aft from the mast support.
Liftable through the companion-way.
BR

[rayaldridge]

Just to offer another alternative, have you seen Thomas Firth Jones' Night Heron?

http://www.jonesboats.com/nightheron.html