Long term survival boat ideas

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by mmutch, Nov 9, 2012.

  1. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member


    Your right!! Ok,--- below is nice thing about Wharrams.



















    Thanks Frosty.
     
  2. champ0815
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    Well, actually Frosty said something positive about the Wharrams:
    IMHO, that's a main point in this forum - to live a dream by designing boats (or understanding the design of boats) to be able to go to sea without robbing a bank or killing a rich relative!
    The sea should not be limited to the rich people but to the skilled - and (even if only for a start) if a Wharram allows for people to get skilled in seamanship this is a good thing.
    It's all about knowing the limits - in personal skills and the design of the boat - to go relatively safe to sea.
    As for your concern about the brave men in rescue operation endangered by the people "without means": Maybe the people without financial means haven't even the means to call for rescue (epirbs and other electronic rescue systems are expensive), so maybe the larger number of rescue operations is requested (or required) by people who have the means in Frostys sense of meaning but not the knowledge of the limits.
    You can buy safety equipment, you can buy large boats, you can even buy rescue operations, but to avoid needing them, you have to learn about the limits and how to expand them sensibly - you can't buy skills, you have to acquire them!
    It takes more skills to sail without an engine, so maybe someone who started with a Wharram is a better sailor than the rich man's son who started with a large boat with powerful engines... .
    To get back on topic - in terms of long time survival, the skills of a Wharram sailor/builder will be much more valuable than the need to rely on expensive and complicated backup systems (and the products of a high tech industry) to go safely to sea.
     
  3. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    Now there is a point. A wharram owner would be my choice too if I were to be cast out to sea under severe survival conditions.

    First of all leave the Wharram at home.

    His skin would be like leather and UV resistant, he would be able to go long periods without potable water, he would be familiar with bucket and chuck it toiletry procedure, he would be unaware of any electronic wizardry and leave things like that alone for me to handle, he would be able to stand up and steer for hours on end with no auto pilot.

    He would be able to eat raw fish unaware that it can be cooked, tie good knots and not say much because he never sails with company and repair ply wood with nothing more than flour and water with ealstic bands.

    The only down side might be his fear of the engine if it were started but after assurance it was not evil he could be calmed.

    Yes a good crew member under those conditions.
     
  4. Alex.A
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    Alex.A Senior Member

    You're being anal Frosty. Wharrams are great! In the larger sizes you get a hell-of-a boat for minimal outlay. For a cruiser that is safe and reliable and not performance orientated, what more do you need? Yes,there are better boats but can the average person build one at a reasonable cost, in a reasonable time and go sailing? And survive? If you throw in all those naked wimmen - what's the problem? As for the looks/styling - that's subjective... We may not all think your boat is beautifull. They have been there ,done it and had fun.
    Are you bored? Get constructive!
     
  5. aussiebushman
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    Spot on Guys

    Whatever happened to personal responsibility? There are too many examples of fools calling on the pros to get them out of the kind of trouble they should have anticipated or have been more capable of rectifying. There is nothing quite like doing things on the cheap to teach experience. It is the same in the bush. People with more money than sense buy properties and are gone within a couple of years because they cannot cope with being a builder, mechanic, plumber, electrician, snake-handler or whatever, unless there is an expert on hand to do it for them. As for casual vistors, they come into the mountains without a spare wheel, jack, shovel or even a coat and wonder why they get into trouble. I have seen the weather change from 37 C down to 5 and snowing within a couple of hours, even in summer.

    After a few near disasters of my own on the water mainly caused by gear failure (broken blade on prop/mainsail jamcleat fouling the topping lift when reefing) by also by misjudgement (like going aground when avoiding racing boats) it is somewhat encouraging to talk to other sailors who have had similar experiences and the common believe is "welcome to boating - if it can go wrong it will". This a timely reminder that in a survival sitution, the less things to go wrong the better.
     
  6. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    Alex --I do believe some people actually bought a Lada, the russian made car.

    Whats the difference between a wharram and aids?

    You've got more chance of getting rid of aids
     
  7. cavalier mk2
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    cavalier mk2 Senior Member

    Me thinks Frosty doth protest too loud and long to be believed. He must be a closet Wharram fan. Lusting after the simple no nonsense boats, admiring the sailors and reveling in the concept of appropriate technology.....Now in a real survival situation those that make it don't get hung upon the color or brand name. Does it do the job and will it keep going are what count. If the roles were reversed and Frosty had to be crew on a Wharram, what would he bring to the party? (And they have some great parties!)
     
  8. Grey Ghost
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    Grey Ghost Senior Member

    Call Scott Brown Multihulls to sell your Wharram -- their list has 43 sold Wharram catamarans there --- http://www.multihulls.uk.com/wharram/boats.htm
     
  9. cavalier mk2
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    cavalier mk2 Senior Member

    Speaking of boats for survival, buried in our local paper was a small paragraph stating that a retired University of Washington professor has been tracking the Japanese tsunami debris field....... It is huge, 400 miles of the West Coast and due to start hitting the beaches by mid December. This was promptly denied by our state government who claimed no one knew anything......of course this same government is trying to have a large floating bridge built with sponsons that look like they will sink.....Who would you believe? If we get our big quake will the waves send it back? Our Gov't hopes so because they haven't budgeted the clean up.......
     
  10. WestVanHan
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    Curious as to how far this premise extends into other boating related issues.

    Such as those over exposing themselves to epoxy and getting epoxy poisoning- would this fall under the rules or not?
     
  11. michael pierzga
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    michael pierzga Senior Member

    The Tsunami debris is constantly tracked.

    Check Coast Guard notice to Mariners , MARAD or NOAA at

    http://www.marad.dot.gov/news_room_landing_page/maritime_advisories/advisory/advisory2012-01.htm

    http://marinedebris.noaa.gov/tsunamidebris/
     
  12. cavalier mk2
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    The field is tracked but state Ecology Department spokeswoman Linda Kent says they don't know when the debris will wash ashore or how much is there. In a further article the oceanography prof Curt Ebbesmeyer goes on to remind people that there could be bones washing ashore in athletic shoes over the next few years. We encountered this in Canada over the last few years as mystery feet started washing up on the beaches as underwater bodies began to break up (nobody knows whose). I've thought the tsunami would eventually bring the same so it is good to see it published so remains can be returned to Japan. Container ship spills have shown that left and right shoes drift in different directions so there could be a lot of area affected.
     
  13. WestVanHan
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    I can take years for them to break up- a woman jumped off a bridge in 2004 and they found her feet in 2011.

    Proposals include from the 2004 tsunami as most of the shoes were made before 2004,and I'm thinking it's gang people dumping bodies in the Georgia Strait-1500 ft down and lots of crabs...
     
  14. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    If its a very high bridge and soft mud at the bottom they can find your feet in Australia.

    Its the only explanation I can think of --apart from the crab thing.
     

  15. cavalier mk2
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    cavalier mk2 Senior Member

    Back to surviving- The Wharram website has a great link to the owners/sailors/builders magazine Seapeople which at his request uploaded all the issues for free. There is a lot of pertinent information in there among the toughening hides....
     
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