Farrier 22 trailerable Folding Trimaran build

[peterhull]

I have just joined this Forum and thought it would be a useful pool of knowledge to help with my project.

I am contemplating building a F22 trimaran. I have been a heavy displacment 4 to 5 feet draft mono hull man up to now but I really fancy the speed and shallow draft of a multihull that could probably take me places you cannot go with a my previous boats.

I also like the idea of trailer sailors and the F22 seems to fit what I have been looking for, as long as I can build at a reasonable cost.

I live in the UK brought up in Plymouth but now reside in West Someset. I have studied the F22 web site and the more I see of it the more enthusiastic I am getting. I currently half share in a Barbican 33 with my cousin but we plan to sell her this autumn.

I would be very interested to talk to someone who has any knowledge of building such a boat and I would really like a sail on say the South coast if this can be arranged on any multihull similar to this . I am particularly interested in the 'vacuum bagging' technique.

look forward to conversations

Peter Hull

[Fanie]

Hello Peter,

I have a whole farrier build I got of the net somewhere, maybe you could find it too. I hope you will see it through building the thing, remember everything you do you only have to do once. Ok, except the ama's.

I hope you will enjoy your boat. Multihulls are nice boats.

[Milan]

Lots of informations about building F 32:
http://www.f32.nl/

[Fanie]

I think the one I have is a US build, the guy could hardly get it out of the shack.

[jamez]

Bunch of build blogs linked from here
http://f22build.blogspot.com/

[peterhull]

Thank-you all for your posts and contacts. I have been watching blogspots , quite interesting to see projects progressing. The power of the internet is great

[jamez]

Hi Peter, I see the Farrier website has had an update in the last couple of days with new pics etc.
what version are you leaning towards?

[peterhull]

I am more inclined to the cruising version.

I like the idea of cruising on day sails around the coast and visiting small secluded coves that up to now I have not been able to get into

Peter

[peterhull]

Thank-you, I do have this already.

Peter.

[guzzis3]

If you do undertake an F22 please be realistic about the time and money involved. I have F82 plans and love the design, it's my "perfect" boat, but most people who have built one talk about 2500 hours and $50,000.

The F22 isn't that much smaller, and you have to buy the beams and some other bits from farrier marine. There has been an incomplete F22 for sale in Tasmania for $80,000AU for a while now. I can only assume the vendor managed that project poorly, but if you think your going to build it for $20k in 1000 hours you wil probably be disapointed.

Some other boats to consider: Richard Woods Wizard and Sango, Horstman Tristar 26MT, Marples CC26. Probably others.

Mr Farriers boats are spectacular, but before committing to such a big project do have a look round.

[peterhull]

Thank-you, this is the sort of information I value.

I am still wondering about the whole thing and what I am taking on. I am retired so I have the time. I need suitable accommodation at the right price near to my home becuase I do not have suitable covered area large enough.

I am expecting it to take probably about 2 years. I am prepared to spend about £20,000 not sure what that is in US dollars.

Another option is to get GRP work done by composite firm but that will put up the cost I guess.

Thanks for your comments and tips for looking at others, There was a Tornado for sale near me recently but not folder.

Regards
Peter

[Chris Ostlind]

Peter,

You are not going to build an F22 for 20K of your money. Maybe ten+ years ago, but not now.

If the performence potential of a folding tri of that size intrigues you, then I would suggest an L7 as a possible solution to your potential interests. http://multimarine.com/designdetail.php?id=1 This boat is very easily buildable for the amount you suggest, is a certifiable Farrier killer on the race course (should you ever take her there) and has basic accomodations within the possibilities of this particular trimaran niche.

Do keep in mind that when you get this small, you either go big on the cost, or go appropriate with the dollars and get more spartan. If your budget dictates the scenario, then you can't go wrong with the L7 design from Mike Leneman.

You may also take a look at the used boat market in the UK/France and eyeball the F24 from Corsair. This boat is quite nice, when you can find them on the market and will give you all that you seek in a sail-away package for very reasonable prices. Sometimes it's best to buy a used boat and get out on the water right now, and save yourself the hassle of building.

This comes from a guy who designs and sells plans for homebuilders and is all about your pragmatic satisfaction.

[peterhull]

Thank-you Chris.

I have been trying to assess cost of materials but it is quite difficult. The carbon fibre beams which you can only buy from Farrier are quite expensive.

I am worried about build costs and many years ago I contemplated building a mono hull but it was taking people years and some give up with unfinished projects on their hands. I do not want to be in that position and I am not sure I have the stamina for a long build when I could be sailing!!

I value your comments.

I may have to rethink what I do. Thanks for the tips about alternatives, I had not heard of the L7 I will have a look at that one. I was aware of the Corsair which I think Ian Farrier had connections with many years ago before he went on his own.

Many Thanks, your comments very much appreciated.

Peter

[Richard Woods]

Thank you guzzis3 for mentioning my name.

You may not have been aware that I also design a small trailable trimaran, the Strike 18, which uses a beach cat for the rig and outriggers. Thus building cost is very low. I would estimate you could build one for under GBP2000.

Maybe less as you only need 11 sheets of 6mm plywood and I have seen a used Condor (Hurricane 4.9) for sale for GBP650

I took 150 hours to build the prototype ready to paint. But unfortunately it is in Canada, not Cornwall, although I do have a few youtube videos of it sailing. Later this year I'll be fitting the full cuddy.

Hope to see you on the water sometime.

Richard Woods of Woods Designs

www.sailingcatamarans.com

[peterhull]

Thank-you Richard for your reply.

I was born in Cornwall and brought up in Plymouth so there is some affinity there.

I know you have a long history designing Multi's and at some point during the year I will visit your premises in UK to have a chat. I won't be ready to change my half share in my monohull until probably early next year, so a bit of time yet to make up my mind

In the meantime I am trying to make up my mind what to do and research different designs etc.

I had thought that GRP was lighter and stronger and more duarble particularly epoxy with 'Vac Bagging' technique and my initial thinking was that GRP boats would be easier to sell but of course they are more expensive to build.

Thanks for your interest and advice I will cogitate on them!

Best wishes

Peter