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Old 10-28-2011, 12:01 AM
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I think Bruce is absolutely right in his #115 post, when he says that it would be smarter to buy a used Corsair for about the same price as building a B28.
Even so, that does not apply in Oz --or other countries. A new Corsair (Farrier) 28 costs $136,000 here, even though they are made in Asia.
Try and find a used one.
However, I have had extensive sailing, cruising and racing, on both the B28 and Corsair 28R. The B28 has better and more friendly interior accommodations than the Corsair, but I think the Corsair is more "Modern" and probably faster.
Take your pick.
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Old 10-28-2011, 11:09 AM
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One at times overlooked advantage of building is the ability to pay as you build . While the best economy is achieved buying in bulk, sourcing the materials a stage at a time for each project can keep the build going as the money comes in. For the working person who has to build part time steady progress and staying out of the red can make up for smaller discounts. For instant gratification the argument against is to buy used and make payments on a loan but with the added interest you might wind up paying more than the build. The neat things about boats like the Bucc 28 is that they were designed to be easily built using readily known skills skipping the learning curve required with some newer processes.
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Old 10-28-2011, 02:08 PM
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OS, Since you are probably one of the few here that has actually sailed both designs, could you share some other observations? I have been aboard both C-27s and C-28s, but have never seen a B-28 in person. The local C-28 seems to have a very useable interior, and sails quite well. It has been several years since I was on a C-27, from memory, they were more like the C-24's, but also had a small aft cabin. From the Buc 28 pics, the interior seemed very limited in comparison. (narrow and a very small hole to go forward to the head and very small forward berth, and just storage aft) Is that boat different? Pictures can be deceiving, and from experience, it is very hard to take good interior shots of small boats, there may be more there than it appears.
I expect that with equal rigs, the performance would not be too different- the B-28 looks very capable of carrying a more modern fractional sail plan. SS's buc had a taller, rotating wing mast that was destroyed in the storm, but had obviously done fine with it until then. (wish we had some details of that mast) B
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Old 10-28-2011, 03:47 PM
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Maybe an alternative for those who live close enough . . . . .

1982 - 30' John Marples Cabin Sib - asking $27,900 now


Boat is listed many times... Good pics and specs list here.

Good luck!
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Old 10-28-2011, 06:29 PM
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Bruce.
Refer to my post #12 on page 1 of this thread.
There is another set of pics posted by somebody which shows the forward area where the floor has been set too low for convenient entry and too low to be used as a bunk. With the bunk bottom in it's right position it forms a very nice single berth, and the loo position makes it private to use, quite unlike the loo in the C28. The "Snug double" shown in the forepeak of the C28 is a joke
Don't get me wrong, the C28 is a very nice boat and the one I sailed on was one of the three fastest Tris on Pittwater at the time. But I didn't fancy it as a cruising boat for more than two people, or perhaps three of the same gender.
A Buc 24 can do better than that.

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Old 10-31-2011, 11:22 PM
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Hey Guys! New here but thought I would drop some lines....

Im helping SeaStallion rebuild the C-28 here on the gulf coast. Im a traveling/surfing bum at this moment in my life and decided to take a few months and offer up daily labor for beer/food and a place to crash and the chance to rebuild a classic. The progress we have made just in the month we have been working on her is pretty good and is moving foward at a decent rate. This being my first build/major restoration, it seems to me the old sayings are still coming true, sand/fair, sand/fair and it takes some time to sand-scrape-strip-sand 2part epoxy paint on the deck and cabin top.

I found the boat a few years back on craigslist in the Pensacola-Navarre area. True as the stories mentioned on here go, she was flipped in a hurricane (Ivan?) and lost her Gougeon wing mast and port ama. We dont know how long she sat upside down but evidence suggests a few weeks at minumum due to rot and barncle growth in the cabin.

Overall there was not that much damage, especially for a 30yr old boat. We are starting to see some evidence that glassing was kept to a strict minumum (weight or money), even less than Lock advised in the plans. However the hulls overall are still in great shape!

I will be posting up pics of our work as we progress to save SeaStallion some time. Enjoy!!
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Old 10-31-2011, 11:30 PM
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Thanks for that. Love to see some pics.
Just tell S S not to mess with the design of the transom.
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Old 10-31-2011, 11:35 PM
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Here are some shots of building the new hatch boards and hatch slides. I also took off all the tramp rails as they are heavily corroded (aluminum, especially with stainless screws) and the slides do not function. we are deciding to either attempt to repair or find/fab another solution.
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Old 10-31-2011, 11:39 PM
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Nice one mate, if you decide to surf Margaret River sometime, I am near Fremantle !

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Old 10-31-2011, 11:48 PM
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here are a few shots of the forward deck sides and the small amounts of rot they had. marine ply and epoxy coating showing its strength here after being submerged! I checked all rot with a screw driver and found virtually none despite the wear you see here. We decided to sand and fair the sides and glass the seams. Yes we know 90 bends do not sit well with glass but this helped fill the shape and seal it faster than tons of fairing. Will be fully sanded and faired in the coming weeks for paint.
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Old 10-31-2011, 11:53 PM
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Here are some shots of the cabin sides being sanded and rough faired. filling the gouges on the sides and porthole frames at the moment. we continued fiberglassing the bottom seam as the trampoline tracks screw into this area in the cabin side section of ply. all screw holes were filled, sanded and then the entire seam was glassed to the transom.
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Old 11-01-2011, 12:04 AM
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I also took off all the tramp rails as they are heavily corroded (aluminum, especially with stainless screws) and the slides do not function. we are deciding to either attempt to repair or find/fab another solution.
The best solution is the original design, which is 1/19 SS wire stretched outboard between the ends of the cross beams, looped thru the side loops of the tramp netting. A similar wire can be set from the beam ends, forward to a thru bolt on the bow gunnel to support a bow net. The same can be done for an aft net.These wires also help support the crossbeams in the lateral bending plane, which Bruceb has previously referred to.

Looks like you are doing a good job with the cabin.
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Old 11-01-2011, 12:06 AM
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here are a few sections of rot we are dealing with (the largest on the boat). The aft section of the cockpit port side has been dealt with and a new piece of epoxy coated marine ply has been set into place. The repair went well and Im getting pictures off the phone soon!!!

The second is being cut out and Im following the rot with a chisel. I dont stop until I hit solid wood again!

The main issue here on the cross beam is flex. As the cross beam flexes under load, the silicone that seals the gap from the cabin sides around the cross beam break open and water is allowed to enter. Now, in the cockpit there is a drain here but inside of the aft beambox, there are no drains so any water entering here is trapped or runs inside the hull. We are addressing this also...

New pics coming soon! My carrier is having data issues so there are many stuck on my phone right now.

As it stands here is where we are..

1.Deck totally sanded and faired. We are going to cover with fiberglass to stiffen it up a tad.
2. all cabin sides sanded (fairing in progress) to transom.
3. transom faired and reglassing is in progress for some strength. we noticed some stress areas where the wood was letting water enter
4. major rot in aft port cockpit setee was cut out and new section epoxied in. fairing needed.
5. rot being addressed on aft crossbeams
6. cabin top being sanded, 40% done. all hardware needs to be removed. adding more frames inside, very weak design, flexes under average weights! found large crack today, will see how far it runs and how deep.
7. finished builing strongback for port ama on sunday, pics coming soon.

phew! gotta get to bed now.. starts again in the morning
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Old 11-01-2011, 07:56 AM
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Old 11-01-2011, 04:48 PM
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I just built somethig vbery similiar to that for my project. I just put some wheels I had left over from the body buc for the Cobra. Work inside when the weather is bad, roll it out when good! My old compressor bit the dust lately so I just purchased a new one for the shops.
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