Buccaneer 24 Trimaran

[Samnz]

Originally Posted by bruceb

In another area, how do tri's attach the inboard end of the prod? I don't have anything around here to look at or copy. Any pics or details would be very helpful. Bruce

Theres a lot of ways of doing it but on my boat I cut a hole with a hole saw about 50mm around into the stem about 40mm, inserted a carbon tube 200mm long into it (piece of windsurfer mast) and glued, glassed and Carboned it onto the stem. The aluminium Prod Slides over this. Pretty simple.

I built a carbon Bow roller into it which was a lot of mucking around and then it got smashed of in a storm on the mooring...

I think a rotating prod could be good for VMG running, especially in light breeze.

[Samnz]

Photos from recent Bay Of Islands race week.

A 11m Cat dipping (I was on stbd) me hit the corner of the float, luckily it was a foam extension so no stuctural damage and I could finish the event. Its being fixed by the helmsman of the Cat right now...

[oldsailor7]

Great shots of Capricorn, Sam.

A real source of inspiration to all other B24 builders and sailors.

[bruceb]

I hope Capricorn is back complete soon I have some rig measurements from my buc 24- "Pigs Fly". The former owner of my boat added a tall mast, but since he single handed most of the time the sails are very modest sized compared to Sam's green monster I am getting new sails this season, but the main is going to have to wait (it was a stock Stiletto 27 main). Basic rig; J-2.59m, jib hoist-9m, main hoist 10.21m, E-2.9m (boomless main), and I used the bow eye for the gennaker. Masthead is 13.97m from the waterline. My self-tacking jib is 8.8m, the main is about 18m, and I borrowed a larger jib around 14.5m sheeted to about 8 degrees for light air. I did not have a masthead spinnaker halyard and used a 37m gennaker. It is cut too full for a fast boat and is not very useful. Boat speed and pointing was ok in light to medium conditions that I sailed in, I was not going fast enough reaching. I am sure the new gennakers and prod will make a real difference as soon as I am up to handling them. I have a lot to learn Bruce

[oldsailor7]

Good Onya Bruce.
Way to go.

[Samnz]

Originally Posted by bruceb

I am sure the new gennakers and prod will make a real difference as soon as I am up to handling them. I have a lot to learn Bruce

Mnn well I have been a bowman on skiffs, sports boats and keelboats, so have done a fair bit of kite work, and the gennaker work on a small tri is quite different.

1. Hoisting, bear away flat off, pull the haliyard till its at the very top of the mast then pull the tack out.

2. Dropping, bear away flat off, let the tack out when the whole foot is gathered in let the haliyard out.

Obviously do both as quick as possible but if you dont sail flat off the foot will go under the float, and if you pull the tack before the haliyard (like on a keelboat) on the way up, or drop the kite haliyard before the tack is in (like a sports boat) the tack/foot will get sucked straight under the beam and its all over!

Keep to 2 easy rules and you cant go wrong ever, in any conditions, dont and you will break the prod, mast or just trawl/tear the gennaker and lose the race.

[bruceb]

Thanks! I know I almost ran over my small gennaker on a take down and I couldn't tell what I was doing wrong. I was trying to do it like a keel boat- tri experience does matter. This might have saved me from a real problem. Bruce

[bruceb]

Samnz, do you sheet the big gennaker inside of the shrouds? Bruce

[Samnz]

Originally Posted by bruceb

Samnz, do you sheet the big gennaker inside of the shrouds? Bruce

No both gennakers sheet around the outside of the side stays. The reacher sheets inside to an adjustable bridle between the cabintop and the float.

[jetstreamer1961]

Hi folks I am a new member..I own buccaneer #122 and I am kicking around the idea of building a wing mast...Can anyone help me out with some good information?? Thanx..Jeff

[bruceb]

Hi, welcome to the forum. I have #151, probably very similar to your buc 24. Is your boat still mostly stock? Bruce

[Samnz]

Originally Posted by jetstreamer1961

Hi folks I am a new member..I own buccaneer #122 and I am kicking around the idea of building a wing mast...Can anyone help me out with some good information?? Thanx..Jeff

Hi Jeff, nice Bucc, you race it?

Hopefully CoxCreek will read this and post, he has built a lot of wing masts out of 3mm ply, foam and some carbon reinforcement.

Hey Bruce I just did the 8.5 Multihull nationals over here and was doing really well beating a lot of hotted up GBEs and a Kurt Hughes 7.5 on line but in the 5th race of 8 my aluminium rudder case sheared in half and twisted the top gudgeon off... not ideal. The gps top speed was however 22.2 knots, 2.3 knots higher than any other top speed Iv had...

[Samnz]

I just downloaded my GPS track and top speed has come up as 20.7 knots, sometimes they seem to jump satelites and give bogus reading but it smooths the track out on GPSAR and gives averages so 20.7 is a true reading.

5 bests' average = 33.13km/h [17.89Knots]
Best Speed n°1 = 38.34km/h [20.7Knots] (106.5 meters in 10.0 sec.)
Best Speed n°2 = 32.66km/h [17.64Knots] (90.7 meters in 10.0 sec.)
Best Speed n°3 = 31.96km/h [17.26Knots] (88.8 meters in 10.0 sec.)
Best Speed n°4 = 31.4km/h [16.95Knots] (87.2 meters in 10.0 sec.)
Best Speed n°5 = 31.29km/h [16.9Knots] (86.9 meters in 10.0 sec.)
Best Speed n°6 = 30.52km/h [16.48Knots] (84.8 meters in 10.0 sec.)
Best Speed n°7 = 30.26km/h [16.34Knots] (84.1 meters in 10.0 sec.)
Best Speed n°8 = 30.22km/h [16.32Knots] (84.0 meters in 10.0 sec.)
Best Speed n°9 = 30.17km/h [16.29Knots] (83.8 meters in 10.0 sec.)
Best Speed n°10 = 30.1km/h [16.25Knots] (83.6 meters in 10.0 sec.)

5 best 50 meter (at least) average = 33.13km/h [17.89Knots]
50 meter run n°1 = 38.34km/h [20.7Knots] (106.5 m. in 10.0 s.)
50 meter run n°2 = 32.66km/h [17.64Knots] (90.7 m. in 10.0 s.)
50 meter run n°3 = 31.96km/h [17.26Knots] (88.8 m. in 10.0 s.)
50 meter run n°4 = 31.4km/h [16.95Knots] (87.2 m. in 10.0 s.)
50 meter run n°5 = 31.29km/h [16.9Knots] (86.9 m. in 10.0 s.)

5 best 2 second (at least) average = 33.13km/h [17.89Knots]
2 second run n°1 = 38.34km/h [20.7Knots] (106.5 m. in 10.0 s.)
2 second run n°2 = 32.66km/h [17.64Knots] (90.7 m. in 10.0 s.)
2 second run n°3 = 31.96km/h [17.26Knots] (88.8 m. in 10.0 s.)
2 second run n°4 = 31.4km/h [16.95Knots] (87.2 m. in 10.0 s.)
2 second run n°5 = 31.29km/h [16.9Knots] (86.9 m. in 10.0 s.)

5 best 5 second (at least) average = 33.13km/h [17.89Knots]
5 second run n°1 = 38.34km/h [20.7Knots] (106.5 m. in 10.0 s.)
5 second run n°2 = 32.66km/h [17.64Knots] (90.7 m. in 10.0 s.)
5 second run n°3 = 31.96km/h [17.26Knots] (88.8 m. in 10.0 s.)
5 second run n°4 = 31.4km/h [16.95Knots] (87.2 m. in 10.0 s.)
5 second run n°5 = 31.29km/h [16.9Knots] (86.9 m. in 10.0 s.)

[bruceb]

Samnz, That is quite an inspiration, (and challenge) 20kts plus in a 24'tri is very fast. - sorry about the rudder Did the side plates fail? I haven't made my rudder head yet partly because I did not know how thick to make them. Bruce

[jetstreamer1961]

Originally Posted by bruceb

Hi, welcome to the forum. I have #151, probably very similar to your buc 24. Is your boat still mostly stock? Bruce

Yes, the boat is completely stock..My sailing partner built it in the 80's and really did'nt sail it much due to his health...I have been sailing it around Milwaukee - Lake michigan area for the last two seasons..We are avid iceboaters and we can see the great performance that wing masts offer those boats...I just discovered this thread and it is nice to see some folks talkin' about the old buccaneers....My friend that sails a Malcom Tenant design (i don't know the exact spellingof that name) has a fancy wing mast rig and he can blow me away in higher winds, but suprisingly, can't pass me up in the lighter winds...