Buccaneer 24 Builders Forum

[bruceb]

Thanks OS7. It has been a fun day sailor, but it might get a cabin this winter, certainly sometime this coming year. I have some coastal trips planned that will be much more comfortable with some more storage and weather protection. The open Buc is fairly dry- until you get over about 12 kts, and then it has a different personality I have only sleeved the starboard forward crossbeam, and I haven't "glued" it. I have the pipe to do the others when I take it out for the winter, they were not nearly as loose. I decided to get a few more races in so it is still in the water. Too much fun to quit yet Bruce

[jmolan]

Plans for sale on EBAY, just popped up. Buccaneer 24

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...E:B:SS:US:1123

[oldsailor7]

Yes that E-Bay ad is from sjsmail05.

I asked him if it was a "One Off" and this was his reply.

"I have 2 left of 5 sets so it is the next to last and then no more."
- sjsmail05

[redreuben]

oldsailor,

Did he get plans from you and copy them for a buck?

[oldsailor7]

Originally Posted by redreuben

oldsailor,

Did he get plans from you and copy them for a buck?

He might well have done, but I wouldn't know it. His E-bay name doesn't ring a bell for me.

On the other hand he may have an original set of plans and simply copied them.

I am amused at the price undercutting.

As Jimmy "Schnozzola" Durante famously said-"Everyone wants to get in on the act". LOl.

[marker]

Oldsailor
Do you still have any plans available ?
Mark

[oldsailor7]

Originally Posted by marker

Oldsailor
Do you still have any plans available ?
Mark

Yes I do.

[marker]

Oldsailor
I'll be in touch.
Mark

[oldsailor7]

Mark.
This is really "Off Topic" on this thread, so if you want to contact me please send me a PM by clicking on my avatar.
Thanks. OS7.

[Joe Moore]

Happy new year everyone! This being the builder's forum I thought I'd ask how people were getting on with their projects. Are there any underway at the moment or just plenty of pipedreams?

[oldsailor7]

Originally Posted by redreuben

oldsailor,

Did he get plans from you and copy them for a buck?

I asked him that and this was his reply.

"These plans came from an old warehouse in Florida that once housed a builder. There were many others including one set of B33 plans that I will be keeping for my self. I was the 3rd guy to get to look thorough them so no telling what I missed out on."
- sjsmail05

[Joe Moore]

Imperial to metric ponderings here guys. Plans state the skins are 3/16" ply which is roughly 4.75mm. In the UK the widely available ply sheets are 4mm or 6mm which actually measure 3.6mm and 5.5mm respectively.

It's been mentioned before that Capricorn is built out of 4mm ply, but then so is the Fireball dinghy sitting in my garage and while I've no doubt it's strong enough for a 16.5' dinghy I'm not sure about a 24' boat which is going to have to deal with drying out on the beach and the prospect of being squeezed between a harbour wall and another yacht.

Specifying actual 5mm ply would add extra cost to the build and seems a little unnecessary. My current thinking is that the amas could be built from 3.6mm ply with a layer of thin glass weave in the bilge and up the outer topsides (on the inside!) while the vaka would be 5.5mm, again with glass in the bilge.

I'm concerned that building everything from 5.5mm would be a little overkill. Thoughts?

[oldsailor7]

JOE.
I built my B24 with 1/4" 3 ply in the hulls and 5/16" in the cabin.

It was NOT sheathed with F/glass, but WAS coated with three coats of Epoxy and finished in Polyurethane paint.
Glass tape on all the seams.

Worked fine for me.

[bruceb]

JM, My Buc 24 was built around the same time (mid 70s) as OS7's and of the same 1/4 fir ply. I would use 4mm as much as possible- certainly for the amas and probably for the above chine areas on the main hull. I would want 6mm on the main hull bottom for trailer and bottom abuse and I would glass the outside up to the waterline (main hull) and to the chines on the amas and fair and finish it very well. In the southern part of the US where I live, glassing the decks is required- not optional to keep the rain out. I wasn't convinced that 3/16-4mm would be strong enough, but my boat is 35+yrs and the 1/4 ply is overbuilt and over weight. I would use the best 4mm that you can find- here in the USA, I would use high grade rot protected "power ply" for the bulkheads and good meranti for the skins. Expensive but well worth it. Bruce

[Joe Moore]

Thanks for the answers guys. I think in that case I'll go with the 3.6mm and glass the inside anywhere there's likely to be abnormal stresses such as pontoons, trailers and beaches! Save the heavier 5.5mm stuff for below the chines on the vaka.

I expect it's because the hulls are relatively narrow that they naturally retain much more strength and have smaller 'panels' for their size than a monohull, hence you can get away with what seem like quite thin skins.

I'll build the amas first from 3.6mm, see what they feel like and add a layer of glass weave accordingly. If they're tough enough then I know I'm on the right track for the vaka. I'm not really convinced about glass on the outside as it would offer little in the way of impact protection, just abrasion resistance. Again, I guess I'll see when it's built and make a firm decision.