22 - 24 trimaran

[Samnz]

Originally Posted by oldsailor7

Now all of the above is a quite different Kettle of Fish from a DIY small cruising design, which is brobably going to end up as a heavily loaded boat which sails most of the time with its leeward AMA well submerged at (relatively) slow speeds.

The boat in question is a racing boat, and only has the cabin to meet the safety requirements in NZ for coastal racing.

I believe it will sail at wind speed or above except 'on the wind' which will sail about 9 to 11 knots, which is the only point of sail the transoms will cause a drag issue, as they may not break free/plane/whatever you wanna call it.

I also believe the boat will be level with crew weight balancing the sails in up to 10 knots of breeze, so at 10 knots boatspeed a slight submerged transom may not cause an issue?

[RHP]

I dont think this yacht has been mentiond - she looks very nice:

http://www.biekerboats.com/Bieker_Boats/Trinado.html

Also:
http://www.trinardo.com/ and look at the pics in the Build section.

Great stuff.

[oldsailor7]

RHP.
Thats one sharp looking little TRI.

[bruceb]

The trinado has a really nice looking main hull. How is the tiller rigged? Bruce

[RHP]

I dont know, it looks as though its under the rear deck?

It weighs 300kgs as opposed to 768kgs of the F24. Can it really be just 300kgs? Seems too light.

[oldsailor7]

That would be it's dry weight without equipment or sails.

[RHP]

I have followed this small trimaran debate with great interest and thank all those who have given time posting their thoughts and experience.

My hang up is whilst I love the concept of a 7m tri, new ones are WAY WAY too expensive vis-a-vis the F22 etc.. for the family man earning an honest crust. The Micro 23 seems half way to a decent price but isnt really aimed at the long weekend sailor with a couple of young kids. The Astus 22.1 looks a great little boat but at about $44,000 ??? I cant justify it folks.

I feel the Trinado design concept above meets my requirements best: fast, fun, overnighting accomodation, darn good looking but most importantly the ability to be cheap (sic). Using the Tornado amas and rig is half the battle leaving you to focus on the main hull. Unless I am a complete divvy, if someone produced a mould and banged out some GRP centre hulls and decks in unfinished format surely a) they could be pretty cheap and b) there should be a far larger market than those willing to fork out what $60,000+ for an F22?

I wonder how big the market would be for someone producing centre hulls for owner completion and/or factory finished?

I lie in bed worrying out these things y´know..........

[bruceb]

Rhp, In my area of the US, a power boat hull and deck with about the same amount of GRP costs about $5000-6000 US retail. Unfortunately, I have never known multi manufactures to stay in business for very long I think multi buyers are the type to want something new and different, not very good for a long, profitable production run. I guess I am typical- I have a good boat, and now I want to change it. I like the Trinado also.
Bruce

[Gary Baigent]

"If there is a way, there is a f@&%ing way" - so said that savage English actor.
Design and build it yourself, not difficult, study designs and BEGIN, takes time but saves huge amounts of dosh - then use basic building materials and the best is 4mm tensioned ply, or strip planked light woods, with glass and epoxy (or even polyester like Jim Brown did with Searunner) - forget expensive foams or honeycombs and total carbon sheathing, (what do the hotshot French sailors do? - grind the expensive laminates back to a minimum - this is looked on askance by the safety Nazis of course) - but if you are want a boat and can't afford the astronomical cost of buying one or getting one built professionally, doityourself, (in this day and age you have little option anyway; it is like a return to NZ in the golden 1950 -'60''s when every bloke in the street was designing and building their own, good innovative designs too). Use less material and, as I said, ply is hard to beat - look at ancient Infidel/Ragtime, built in urea formaldehyde glues too. You take a chance of course of having a lightweight hull that will not withstand smashing a sunken reef apart - but then, aside from steel, there are few materials that can survive that anyway. Rule no 1: don't hit things, like riding motorcycles: don't crash - and chances are you won't.
And if you do, well, you have built in bulkheads and flotation chambers to keep you up.

[RHP]

God how I hate the voice of reason !! :-) :-)

I´m gonna take a look at it.

[Chris Ostlind]

Gary...? Serious question.

Can I quote your posting on my website? I've been composing a set of comments about home building and this post of yours is remarkable in its context.

[RHP]

You can post my response as well if you want Chris !

[Gary Baigent]

Of course, Chris.

[oldsailor7]

AND a Merry Christmas to ALL.

[NiklasL]

Hi guys.

I like the thread by the way.
I wouldnt buy a seacart, it is a high maintenance boat for racing only.
The sails are also expensive, but if you have a good income, plus skills in the cockpit go ahead.

I have discovered a boat called Corsair 750 sprint, it is THE "peoples seacart"
It is a good boat and design. In that size things can't get much better. It is fast and can handle waves and wind better than many simular sized boats.
It is easey to trailer and low maintenance and good storage room below also.

http://www.corsair-sweden.com/sprint.html