Containerable Motorsailers

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by FAST FRED

...Am very open to sugestions for the basic "look" or other ideas.. FAST FRED

What about this one?
http://www.mapcorp.com/index_files/page0002.html
(Very rough sketch, but it may worth wile to find if they have already refined it)

P.S. Thanks for the nice info on Perry's MS.

[yipster]

thanks for the good info, i was too sceptical

wait till Doug Lord checkes the rest of MAPCORP

[FAST FRED]

In looking for a "nicer" hull design I got a copy of Yachts in a Hurry from the library.

A herrishoff design "Stroller 2" seems to my eyes the nicest of dozens and dozens if really fast narrow boats.

Today our engines dont require 2300lbs for only 200hp , so a fast boat with minor furl consumption seems doable.

Many of the boats in a Hurry were 6-1 tp 10-1 LB ratio!

FAST FRED

[Vega]

I have received some more information about the "Far Harbour 39":

"We had brief sea trials in Portland and Rhode Island. You’ll see the
data in the attachment. We just finished our first open water sea trial
going from Rhode Island to New York City.

Total distance was about 180 NM with wind always forward and AWS from 10 to 25. Despite being pressed for time, we had about 40 miles of no-engine sailing.

Bottom line- the boat handled beautifully, power beating into 20+ knots with accompanying short chop in Block Island Sound. Living aboard was comfortable with crew hot showers at the mooring in Block Island and on arrival in New York City.

For those who inquired how she handles in heavy seas, the answer is “great.” Going to windward there’s no pounding: she knifes through, but with her high freeboard, she stays dry. Beam seas, with a minimum amount of steadying sail, are no problem.

Down wind, the broad stern gives her ample stability.

We couldn’t say these things until she was in the water and sailing."

I have to say that I still doubt about the boat's real performance downwind. I guess that I have to wait till sail magazines test the boat.

In my opinion it is a pity that the boat has so much concessions regarding fitting in a container. If not so compromised, I think this could be a better sailing boat.

The sail away price: USD$ 225 000

[Crag Cay]

"......In my opinion it is a pity that the boat has so much concessions regarding fitting in a container......"

Ummm........ But if the design brief was for it to fit into a container, that's what Mr Perry had to design.

Can you imagine the conversation when the client phones up and says "Oi ! Smarty Pants Designer! We've been heaving and a shoving this boat every which way for 4 hours and there's no way it will go in this container" only to be told "Well it won't will it, I made it a bit wider to optimise its downwind performance. You can't have everything". "I didn't want every fu*@ing thing, I just wanted a boat that would fit in a fu*@ing container!"

There would then follow a one sided diatribe where even the parentage of the designer would be called into question and the clients rage would in no way be placated by improved downwind performance.

[Vega]

Originally Posted by Crag Cay

......In my opinion it is a pity that the boat has so much concessions regarding fitting in a container......"

Ummm........ But if the design brief was for it to fit into a container, that's what Mr Perry had to design.

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Sure . What I am saying is that I like the boat, even if I don’t have any use for that "container fitting performance".

The boat has some interesting characteristics (for instance motoring speed, consumption and autonomy) no matter what it is designed for. What I am saying is that I would like to see what it could be done, maintaining those characteristics and without the narrow limits of the container.

I am not saying that Mr. Perry has done a bad job, quite the opposite.

[FAST FRED]

"In my opinion it is a pity that the boat has so much concessions regarding fitting in a container."

The only two consessions I could find was the smaller interior volume, and the desire for lightweight to improve performance.

No washer- drier , 500 lb frozen food locker , even air cond and the required gen set might be a weight/space conflict.

However the Aphrodite was 74 X 14 , so in half scale a grand looking boat should be possible . If the weight can be kept to 4 tons or less a cruise at 16K on 4gph seems reasonable , with a modern engine.

Lister and Gardner are out but a 125 hp Yanmar or Styer seem OK.

Just wonder if the "advances" in modern outboards would make a gas engine usefull . Anyone know what 2500lbs of thrust costs in fuel with a new 4 stroke OB?

Figuring a 100hp diesel can make 25lbs of thrust per hp @ 20 hp a gal an hour.
A diesel would need 5gph (by my primitave rule of thumb)to get that 2500lbs of push.

The price difference between a new inboard diesel and a 4OB stroke might? take a few decades to recoupe at 300 hours a year cruising.Sure would be easier when running aground!

FAST FRED

[skyl4rk]

Do you have to pay customs duty on a boat shipped in to another country?

[yipster]

in europe boats older than 8 years dont have to pay customs, younger boats pay fractions up to full tax for new boats
and -at least was- various papers are required for different areas
quik search result for usa canada http://boating.ncf.ca/usborder.html

[FAST FRED]

I have no idea weather the arrival of a cruising boat in a box would be different in terms of cruising permits.

Most times visiting other lands , stopping at customs and obtaining a cruising permit was almost painless.

The old Brit places (like Bermuda) are beserk to sieze any small arms , perhaps they fear an invasion.
French islands (St Barts) when told of a shotgun aboard , "Bon" was the reply.

It might take a customs agent to , or a bond , to assure the hungry tax extractors that the vessel was visiting , AND leaving.

FAST FRED

[yipster]

not saying that i'm going to ship a boat in the near furure but it would be interesting to know container shipping cost
versus deckload, same for container road transport against boat deeploader

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by skyl4rk

Do you have to pay customs duty on a boat shipped in to another country?

Very interesting question, when thinking of a boat carried inside a container. I have no idea, but I suspect it is quite posssible to have big problems with many countries' customs authorities....

[FAST FRED]

While we havent checked on a specific , shipping my 50x15 ex Navy Utility was quoted at $15,000 US on a stand by basis.
If the spot wasnt sold to a big buck , and I could get there with 3 days notice , I would get the $15,000 rate.Reserved space was more.

I have been told that a std box leaving the States for Euroland is $1200 to $1500 .

A 90% savings, although a smaller boat is required

Special boat friendly trailers will ship a not oversized( Doesn't need leading and following Wide Load cars 7 drivers, and special permits) for about $3.00 per mile.This limits the beam to 12 ft in western states , and 8 ft in the older eastern states.

In a std box its a $1.10 -$1.25 a mile.

FAST FRED

[FAST FRED]

This is "Stroller" the Herreshoff contract #388 from 1929. She is 46x10 so with a bit of cockpit trimmed and some slimming might still be good looking when reduced to 39x7.7.

FAST FRED

[yipster]

love those navigation light holders, still, somehow that boat looks timeless