Sandblasted..

[harrisdr]

Dear good Forum people
This is my boat today. 30ft steel, 6000kg, built in Holland 1962.
Has costed me 10 thousand Euros up to now.
I'd love to sail it again but I don't know if I can afford it much longer.
Please let me know your.. optimistic opinion
God bless,
harris

My Dear chap
walk away with what you can salvage, and forget it, it is quite worthless
Feel for you

[Landlubber]

Yep, run, don't walk!

[harrisdr]

Thank you men.
I think I'll stay for a while.
Name of boat: Diogenes.
There is also this very dear friend of mine, Axel, German, who thinks Greeks are amateurs, of course, and always pulls my leg an that matter. Once I said: yes but Ulysses made it on a straw float. And he: Only because he was Greek.. He could have chosen proper wood...

[Landlubber]

harrisdr,

We can only advise our opinion, like a doctors prescription, it is up to you.
My heart bleeds at the thought though mate.

[Brent Swain]

Any place you can't drive a centrepunch thru with a sledgehammer doesn't ned immediate replacement, where it does , replace the plate, and get a bit more enjoyment out of her. Don't throw a lot of cash at her. Just keep the cash -enjoyment balance within reason.
Eventually you can build another hull and transfer the rest of the gear on tot he new hull. Hulls only take a few weeks to build.
Brent

Originally Posted by Brent Swain

Any place you can't drive a centrepunch thru with a sledgehammer doesn't ned immediate replacement, where it does , replace the plate, and get a bit more enjoyment out of her. Don't throw a lot of cash at her. Just keep the cash -enjoyment balance within reason.
Eventually you can build another hull and transfer the rest of the gear on tot he new hull. Hulls only take a few weeks to build.
Brent

yeah yeah like 1800 hrs for a 40 footer WELL built round bilge, still i guess you would know, 30 frames one per day, inc flors and beam , 24 wheeled plates 4 a day, oh heck,

[harrisdr]

Gentlemen, thank you for your interest and advice. I guess everyone has made their experience on this pretty blue planet and I deeply appreciate that you share yours with me. Being a house constructor since years myself, often altering and renovating nothing better than ruins, I do understand your sympathy when it comes to hours upon hours of work on old things that will never be the same again no matter what.
I will have to stay with this boat for a while. What sandblasting revealed under coats upon coats of epoxy putty and paint is pretty bad news but, the rest of the hull is sound like the church bells of the village nearby on Easter Sunday.. Sure enough, the fact that I'm not a welder myself will cost more money and occasional stress on drumming people together. Yet I think that all the rest can be done within less than a month by my own.
I'm learning a lot communicating with you and reading through this Forum.
I am sure this all will come in handy
God bless,
harris

[pengreg]

Walk away?? Why??! All I can see is two small holes around the garboard area and some dings in the quarter. Harris can you give us some more info please, what does she look like inside? Are those external holes indicating extensive corrosion inside? Can you estimate the extent of plate replacement? What is the motor like? electrics? standing and running rigging?

[tinhorn]

C'mon, guys, harrisdr is obviously smitten - a condition we have all suffered be it boats, cars, or women. We need to ignore the flaws in the object of his desire, be ready to encourage him when he has brief flashes of harsh reality ($$$), and admire this beauty without being boorish or threatening. I'll start.

Great-looking boat! All that time, effort, and money you put into it are sure to provide immense pleasure and comfort down the road. And don't worry about those dimples - they ALL get that.

[harrisdr]

Well, the holes on either side of the garboard are about 40cmx15cm and well accessible from the inside which is not insulated and therefore easier to let corrosion be seen by bare eye. I haven't yet removed all the furniture but I think that what you can see in the engine room will be keeping me a safe distance away from women as long as I'll be dealing with it.. It would help a lot if you knew how this could be better done, and told me..
The engine is a Danish diesel Bukh DV 20HP, now completely restored, electrics need some tiding up I guess, and the riggings are no problem.
Two photos show how the boat looked like before it was lifted out of the water. Yes she's pretty, isn't she??
Dears Tinhorn and Pengreg, I appreciate.
harris

[Brent Swain]

Frames? What frames? Man you are talking stone age technology( imitation wooden boatbuilding). I'm talking about more modern origami boatbuilding methods, which makes the dinosaur methods of framing you talk about totally obsolete.
I've tacked together hulls in two days and shells( hull , decks , cabin ,keel, skeg, cockpit, wheelhouse, and rudder, in six days , minus the welding. I even wrote a book on the subject. Over 200 have been built and most owners wouldn't consider anything else.
Brent

[harrisdr]

So you are THE Brent Swain. Now I remember where I know this name from. I've come across quite a few sites on the Net about Origami and your own creations Mr. Swain.
Is there any specific Link you could suggest that I check out??

[Brent Swain]

Just do a search under origamiboats and pick the first one (Yahooo groups). It's one of the most active sites on metal boatbuilding.
Brent

Originally Posted by Brent Swain

Frames? What frames? Man you are talking stone age technology( imitation wooden boatbuilding). I'm talking about more modern origami boatbuilding methods, which makes the dinosaur methods of framing you talk about totally obsolete.
I've tacked together hulls in two days and shells( hull , decks , cabin ,keel, skeg, cockpit, wheelhouse, and rudder, in six days , minus the welding. I even wrote a book on the subject. Over 200 have been built and most owners wouldn't consider anything else.
Brent

so YOU say, trad metal boatbuidin will never die, there are no shortcuts, for pros that is