Boat Design Forums  |  Boat Design Directory  |  Boat Design Gallery  |  Boat Design Wiki (beta)  |  Boat Design Book Store  |  Thanks to Our Site Sponsors  |  Sitemap

Go Back   Boat Design Forums > Construction > Boatbuilding > Metal Boat Building
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-26-2006, 03:24 PM
luso luso is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Rep: 10 Posts: 16
Location: florida usa
eletric ground for metal hull

Hello I'm new to this forum.
My wife and I are rebuilding a 52' metal hull schonna for 6 years.Unbiliveble how much works it is,just finishing the internal framing.
Houpe you guis can help us .We have a yanmar diesel generator,misssing the rear end, found one at northentools[ pulley driven] but was told that it needs to be ground.How could I ground the system without creating a eletrolisis to the hull?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-26-2006, 11:50 PM
MikeJohns MikeJohns is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Rep: 545 Posts: 1,600
Location: Australia
To ground or not is a debatable subject, but I think there is a clear path.

In reality unless you have massive currents flowing connecting the hull to the negative of your electrical system and to the Nuetral of your generator will not cause any Electrolysis.
For electrolysis you need a differential voltage and you just will not get this given the very low ohmage of the hull. (Plus the hull tends to be isolated by the paint system but we won't go there).

The only proviso is that the prop shaft should be bonded as well otherwise there is a slight risk that the isolated shaft could contact internal wiring and cause electrolysis although the risk is minute.

In the marina with a bonded hull you must use an isolating transformer or a galvanic isolator otherwise the hull can become an anode to a faulty shore power installation or a faulty neighbouring vessel.

I hope this helps, you will find a lot of confusing and poorly researched material on this topic.
__________________
Mike Johns.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-27-2006, 07:05 AM
Ike's Avatar
Ike Ike is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Rep: 357 Posts: 890
Location: Washington
There should be only one grounding point for your entire electrical system. On most boats it is the engine block. All other grounds lead to that point. Most accepted standards say don't use the metal hull as a ground as it will lead to galvanic corrosion. Some people will say this is not true. It's been debated for many years. I think the standards are right. On larger boats like yours the builders usually put in a groundiing strip, usually a large cable or metal bar running the length of the boat which is connected to the block. All ground wires go to the gorounding strip.
__________________
Ike
"Don't tell me that I can't. Tell me how I can!"

New Boatbuilders Home Page
My Boat Building Blog
My Boating Safety Blog
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-27-2006, 07:40 AM
SamSam SamSam is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Rep: 222 Posts: 1,132
Location: Coastal Georgia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ike
There should be only one grounding point for your entire electrical system. On most boats it is the engine block. .
In the new Pro Boatbuilding there is a letter to the editor about a previous article and it mentions that "using the engine block as the DC ground is problematic" and can lead to "ground loop currents that in turn can lead to stray-current corrision on board the vessel" and "the fact that the ABYC still refers to the engine block as the primary negative reference simply points out that the standards need updating". As Mike says, there is a lot of confusing material on the subject. Sam
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ground tackle load calculations dmarine Boat Design 25 03-01-2006 07:40 AM
What should I use, metal or wood? MalawiMD Metal Boat Building 7 05-12-2005 02:32 PM
How do I ground my electrical system? jbassion Sailboats 13 04-27-2005 07:45 AM
metal finishing paul roberts Materials 0 08-30-2004 10:06 PM
Ground effect Willallison Boat Design 15 02-08-2003 06:29 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:06 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin 3 Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Web Site Design and Content Copyright ©1999 - 2009 Boat Design Net