65-ft schooner for sale

[Neven]

Sleeping for ten years under cover, build by malaysian craftsman:
65-ft schooner. Hull: chengal wood. Deck: teak. Needs steering gear, masts and sails.

Please contact: neven@promaritim.com

[Neven]

Designed as top-mast gaff schooner, 65-ft on deck, 18.5-ft beam, long keel (22Mt lead fastened with silicon bronze bolts, draft 8-ft, Four two berth cabins (two doubles) plus 2-man crew qtrs, wood chengal (equivalent to oak but more resistant to teredo worm found in tropics), deck 3/4" teak on chengal, heavily built 50t displacement, timber there for masts, ss316 chainplates, ss316 rudder stock, silicon bronze fastened below deck ss316 above. The boat was designed by Bill Dixon. The building actually commenced around 1987 after getting and curing the wood, which is chengal, well known for its resistance to terido, the bane of many a tall ship made of oak. The bolts were specially made for the boat, of silicon aluminum bronze, the highest quality, since they are not available off-the-shelf. The boat will meet Bureau Veritas or Lloyds standards, and has been beautifully made by the local craftsmen. The fuel tanks (two tonnes) are epoxy painted welded mild steel and are below the galley. The water tanks (four tonnes) are fibreglass of the type that does not emit strychnine. Both the fuel and water tanks can be removed. The engine is a 95 HP Perkins, which is auxillary size rather than motor yacht size, give you about 8 knots if I remember properly; however, this is a reconditioned engine. There is also a matched prop. The wood for the masts should still be there. The boat was originally planned to be a top-mast schooner, but the reality of sailing such of beautiful rig is that it is downright difficult, so the planning is now to change it to a bermudan type schooner, which would require two additional chainplates and an aft chainplate, the latter is around.

[Neven]

Some days ago I got a mail from a frenchman who wanted to buy the schooner. When he wanted to get details to where he should transfer the money the owner said he did promise the schooner already to somebody else but that it is not sure yet.
Okay, I tried to contact the owner but the email is not working anymore and also with fax I didn't got an answer so I don't know. I marked the schooner now as sold in my special offers section:

http://www.people.freenet.de/promaritim/offer.html

although it is not sure yet if the schooner is already sold in order not to promote boats which are probably not longer available.

[Neven]

Sorry, Schooner is sold by ProMaritim.http://www.promaritim.com

Is she still for sale?

Reagrds

Warwick

warwickwhite@yahoo.co.nz

[Neven]

Yes, sorry, already sold.

But we can build you better schooners than this one, preferable in steel. We would recommend a classic design like Sparkman & Stephens (http://www.sparkmanstephens.com), Herreschoff or Fife. These designs we can build by one of the best artisans available: cost effective but in highest quality! The resale value will be double than the building costs.

Please tell us if you would like to get more information.

Kind Regards

[poetprince]

neven
your posts are awesome
can i have a job?

~poetprince

[Neven]

Perhaps! Please tell us about your skills and experiences! Maybe better by email: neven@promaritim.com.

Best Regards

[jny007]

greetings i,m absolultey new to this site

i,m very interested in building the Herreschoff nereia ketch can you give me any assistance with this project

best rgds jny

Originally Posted by Neven

Yes, sorry, already sold.

But we can build you better schooners than this one, preferable in steel. We would recommend a classic design like Sparkman & Stephens (http://www.sparkmanstephens.com), Herreschoff or Fife. These designs we can build by one of the best artisans available: cost effective but in highest quality! The resale value will be double than the building costs.

Please tell us if you would like to get more information.

Kind Regards

[Neven]

Hello,

Thanks for posting us.

We need some information from you in order to get you an estimate. You can find the drawing of Nereia at http://www.middletonmarine.com/drawings.htm. Note that you will not find anything online under the name of Herreschoff because the real designer name is Herreshoff.

You can find the complete original plan and how to build Nereia at http://www.mysticeport.net/library/i...CPageImage.cfm
Note: in the search log You can score the pages of the original Nereia plan.

Maybe better we continue our discussion via email as we do not like to disclose too much of our work in the forums. Just to let you know: On Java you will not find a suitable builder as far as I know!

Best Regards

[jny007]

hi i cannot contact you on your website nor can i contect to the recomended site for nereia plans

rgds jny

[Neven]

Hello,

You can order the plans this way:

Blueline copies of these plans are available for $9.00 per sheet for Members of Mystic Seaport or $12.00 per sheet for non-Members. For international orders, we can send the plans either through the US Postal Service (Air Mail) or by FedEx or a similar carrier. Shipping and handling charges will reflect the actual cost of postage plus $5.00.

When you place your order, please specify which method of shipping you prefer and whether you would like the plans to be rolled or folded. We charge an additional $2.00 per tube sent by USPS, to cover the cost of the mailing supplies. If you choose FedEx, please send us your phone number as well, as FedEx requires it for delivery.

The normal time period in which most orders are fulfilled is 15 working days. If you require the plans sooner we will add the following rush charges: For plans within five (5) working days, add 50%. For plans within two (2) working days, add 100%.

Please make any check or money order payable to Mystic Seaport and address your correspondence to the attention of the Ships Plans Library. If you would like to pay by credit card, we accept MasterCard, Visa, Discover and American Express. You can give us your credit card information by mail, by telephone to 860-572-5360, by fax to 860-572-5371, or by e-mail to this address. Please be advised that we do not have access to a secure server at this time, so e-mail transmission of credit card information may be risky.

Please note that we sell our plans for the production of only one boat or model. If you would like to build additional boats to these plans, please let me know.

NERIA, Cat. # 38.7
Ketch rigged yacht
36' x 31'-9" x 11' x 5'-3"
L. Francis Herreshoff design # 87


Sheet # View Scale

16 Sheet 2, Lines and offsets 3/4" = 1'
17 Sheet 1, Outboard profile, sail & rigging plan 1/2” = 1'
19 Sheet 3, Lead keel, stem, stern 1” = 1’
20 Sheet 4, Construction Sections no scale
21 Sheet 5, Construction Plans 1” = 1’
22 Sheet 6, Cabin Plan 1” = 1’
23 Sheet 7, Tanks, cockpit scuppers, exhaust pipe & engine controls 3” = 1'
24 Sheet 8, Main and mizzen masts 1” = 1’
25 Sheet 9, Booms and their fittings 1” = 1’
26 Sheet 10, Rudder and tiller 1” = 1’
27 Sheet 11, Hatches 1-1/2” = 1'
28 Sheet 12, Head gear 3” = 1'
29 Sheet 13, Rigging and block list 3” = 1' & Full
30 Sheet 14, Mast heads no scale
31 Sheet 15, Shroud Attachments and spreaders Full
32 Sheet 16, Attachments for forestays & Mizzen lower shrouds no scale

You must mail to maria.bernier@mysticseaport.org. Our mail is info@promaritim.com and my personal one is neven@promaritim.com. Please try again!

Best Regards

Klaus

[poetprince]

hey neven

always appreciate how knowledgeable you are
and how willing to share information you have been
(thank you btw for the job consideration)
i'm just finishing my work in california as a tree services co-ordinator
and i am off to a new job on the east coast of the US in a few days
so for today i was hoping you could help me out
do you know anything about purchasing wood in Borneo (myanmar)?
what species of trees would be viable for wooden boatbuilding
especially larger stock for keel assemblies
as well as planking stock

i have a few other questions also
which we can discuss via email
just wanted to check in here first
mainly because my new email address can be funky
super spam filters have been over editing

thank you once again for your kind considerations

~poetprince

[poetprince]

sorry neven
it was early in the morning when i typed that last response
i had been recalling my days sailing around kalimantan and sarawak
of which i also have questions
but that will come later
so the previous question should have read:

do you know anything about purchasing wood in BURMA (myanmar)?

ooops..

~poetprince

[Neven]

Hello,

The most important wood from Burma is Tectona Grandis (teak wood), anyway there are 213 species of wood in Burma.

Most of the teak is exported to Thailand, India (the most importer of Burmese wood) and Malaysia than cut and exported to the rest of the world.
Traditional boat builder in Burma use Ironwood (Pynkado) for the keel and frame and teak or others for the planking.

You can find some exporter direct in Burma at http://myanmargoldwood.com/ and at
http://www.forest-treasure.com/ and http://www.myanmartimber.com/.

Anyway, I heard also this story from one of our supervisors:

Burma is actually one of the most difficult and expensive places to source teak or other hardwoods. Yes!! True.
This is because it's a basic source of income for the '100 Generals' who, in effect, treat Burma and its gentle people as their personal property, and don't want the likes of you and me getting involved or making boats or mousetraps out of 'their' personal income property.

1) Trees are felled and transported to the main ports using ultra cheap labour. (Cheaper than slaves. Slaves have to be fed. The poor bloody Burmese workers have to feed themselves.)
2) Teak is then 'sold' using the tried and tested 'closed tender' system as introduced by the good old British. (And each General will give his personal guarantee that, also like the British, the envelopes are not opened and the bids negotiated between the 'players'. )
3) Teak must be paid for in US dollars. But, while we pay in US dollars, the Generals use the local 'official exchange rate' of 6.something Kyats (pronounced 'chats') to the dollar to buy theirs. The blackmarket rate is in the many hundreds of Kyats per dollar.
4) Everybody must pay a huge tax before exporting teak..... except for them of course.
5) Teak is then shipped to Singapore agents, also Burmese, (on 'Government' subsidized ships!!!) and then re-shipped out to the world.

Interestingly, big buyers of Burma teak are the U.S. and European Navys !!! Over three years, I personally saw the contracts being sawn for decking on one of the old US battleships as well as various European warships.

The west's embargo greatly assists this trade in protecting it from interfering local Burmese traders and other international companies who could muddy the waters.