Rudder Spacing From Hull ??

Discussion in 'Hydrodynamics and Aerodynamics' started by Extra300, May 25, 2015.

  1. whitepointer23

    whitepointer23 Previous Member

    This is the coolest thing I have heard of in ages. 1200 hp lobster boat races. Its got me thinking, if I could fit some big tabs and 3 or 4 blown big blocks to my 35 ft canoe stern ketch I may just get into the thirties without a spinaker. Can't let You Americans have all the fun.:D
     
  2. whitepointer23

    whitepointer23 Previous Member

    What does built down hull mean?.
     
  3. Extra300
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    Extra300 Junior Member

    The wedge is out, we will be using a plate rudder. That should help simplify things.

    So from the original question, The answer seems to be keep the top as close to the bottom of the boat as possible.


    Looking at the design of the proposed rudder, does anyone have any suggestions and why. Such as angles and shape.
     
  4. tom28571
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    With a flat plate rudder shaped like the one in post #8, it can't make much difference how close to the hull the top edge is. The mounting shaft hardware kills the effectiveness near top and bottom anyway.

    Maybe the best bet is to look at something different that could improve the steering effort versus rudder area. If a plate fence were welded to both top and bottom and the shafts attached outside of the plates, there would be no interference from the shaft over the rudder surface. Fences would also reduce tip vortexes and allow a smaller rudder.

    Has anyone tried something like that?

    Restriction to a plate rudder makes all the shaping irrelevant although the leading edge should be rounded.
     
  5. pogo
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    pogo ingenious dilletante

    :rolleyes::(


    Unglaublich wie tief.

    pogo
     
  6. PAR
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    Twin, higher aspect rudders, spaced just outside the prop's diameter can dramatically improve steering efficiency at these speeds. They'll offer some improved vectored thrust in the turns, which will kick the single rudder equipped boat's butts, when the helm is cranked. There's some additional drag associated with this setup, but given the total drag equation on these hulls, not a big element overall. Turning is winning on these puppies.
     
  7. tom28571
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    Paul, Its not clear to me but there may be some rules that we are not aware of that restricts some "improvements" on these boats for this competition.

    Would be good if the OP clears that up.
     

  8. Extra300
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    Rules?? Lol

    Nope, not here.
     
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