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Reflection of waves by the hull does matter, and a proper analytical model will take it into account Perhaps you could provide some sketches of your ideas?
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These are the result of analytic minimisations of wave resistance within the confines of thin-ship theory. See the post and attachments: theoretical displacement hull shape for min drag The strange bumps and hollows are clearly not practical, but the measured wave resistance was very low at their design speeds, as predicted. Another "zero wave drag" assembly of theoretical interest is Krein's Caravans. These can be shown to have zero wave resistance, but they have an infinite number of hulls joined bow-to-stern. The individual hulls are not fore-aft symmetric, but the assembly as a whole is symmetric. The individual hulls have cusped waterplanes. Again, they are clearly impractical, but there are insights to be gleaned from their characteristics. For example, it is interesting to examine the free-wave spectrum of the caravan with different (finite) numbers of sub-hulls, and to see at which wave angles the most energy is being shed, and at which angles it is very low. |
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| Those who are interested in theoretical zero wave-drag vessels can experiment with Krein's caravans in Michlet. See the manual. The first 4 vessels in the sequence are attached. The 1st has no "satellite" hulls. It is fore-aft symmetric with cusped waterplanes. The 2nd has one satellite hull at each end. The satellites have cusped waterplanes, but they are not fore-aft symmetric. The 3rd has two satellites at each end. Repeat unto infinity ![]() |
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First a building block: Consider a single narrow hull with one flat side and one convex side. Say the curved side is to port. Then the bow wake will be larger on the port side due to reflection of the hull sides. Aft of the stern, any residual wake will cease to be reflected and will diffract to starboard. Moving on, now consider an arrow trimaran with half of its displacement in the center hull. Assume the thin center hull's length is one quarter of a wavelength at design speed and the amas are each the same length as the cetner hull. Assume each thin ama is flat side out, with a longitudinal distribution of volume proportional to the central hull. As far as positioning, assume the bows of the amas are one half wavelength behind the bow of the center hull (e.g. out of phase), and placed laterally so the bows form a Kelvin angle. Except to the extent that waves can transmit through the sides of the amas, the amas will absorb most of the energy of the wake created by the center hull. (Any "leakage" of wave energy under the amas can be countered by designing some curvature into the outsides of the amas.) If the trimaran were run backwards, the resistance would increase to the extent that diffraction at the sterns of the amas allow the wave energy to spread out, rather than propagating solely in the direction of the central hull for cancellation. (This would be exacerbated in the case that reflection is not 100% and the amas had some outward curvature.) |
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| Richard You should read, if you haven't already, "Fundamental Study on Optimum Position of Outriggers of Trimaran from View Point of Wave Making Resistance" by Suzuki K., Ikehata M, Fast '93. They have performed experiments doing approximately half of what you are proposing above. It is an interesting read. |
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Yes, this thread is about the optimality of longitudinal symmetry. A necessary (but not in my mind sufficient) part of the argument is that wave resistance is the same forward and backward. I hope I have established that reflection of waves between components of hulls invalidates the entire argument. Only in special circumstances will hull designs exhibit the same resistance going forwards and backwards, and longitudinally asymmetric hull forms and configurations can provide superior results in minimizing wave resistance. |
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introducing 2nd order effects and using different boundary conditions. The 1st order conclusions still hold. If you now introduce viscosity, you will find that reflection might not be all that important because short wavelength waves won't reach the other hulls, or they will be so small as to have an insignificant effect on the wave resistance after reflection. "All models are wrong. Some are useful." - George Box. To which I would add, simple models are much faster and often give the same results within experimental uncertainty as complicated models in appropriate circumstances. ![]() |
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What I have done is transform these wrinkles into an advantage, that allows the same degree of cancellation by eliminating the sternmost hull and adding curvature to the outside hulls (the degree of inside or outside curvature would depend on the ratio of wave transmission under the outside hulls to wave reflection off the sides, which in turn depends on draft, keels, etc.). Cancellation can therefore occur with less hulls, less complexity, and within a total length less than one wavelength. I agree. For this reason, I would avoid complicating the analysis with interactions between viscous effects and wavemaking, unless data from experiments and sea trials clearly refute the simpler predictions in ways that such interactions help explain. |
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![]() The demihulls are unusual: SWATH-like in cross-section and trapezoidal in sideview. That means they individually shed little energy for large wave propagation angles (theta). The diamond arrangement cancels waves at lower theta leaving little at higher thetas (because there wasn't much there in the first place). Quote:
better than a tri with symmetric demihulls, and if so, over what range of Froude numbers. Cambered hulls can create (wave-making) vortices, so the wave resistance might be similar to using uncambered hulls. |
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