Diesel/Hydrogen Hybrid Trawler

[kistinie]

road are dangerous
sea is dangerous
Life is dangerous

All fuels are dangerous as they all contain a lot of potential energy
H² leak and explodes
Petrol give cancer and poison sea life...just a question of speed
i love speed

About the no-future of H² except from fuel cell
is this an opinion or the result of test and measures ?


And what do you think of Iceland and Shell going to this business ?
Or Japan for biological production of H²

[Dieseltwitch]

Ok just so people know that producing Hydrogen from any thing but a properly constructed fuel cell is extremely dangerous! you putting the fuel and the oxidizer in the same line. real fuel cells can either use energy to produce hydrogen and oxygen or be reversed to produce energy from hydrogen. they are very expensive! 5000$ for ones that can produce large amounts of useable fuel or energy. simply putting two coils in a tube filled with water and drawing off the hydrogen is one of the dumbest things any once can do! every wonder why no one is mass producing this! or why most of these systems are made from PVC. The idea of inducing hydrogen and oxygen into the ICE (internal combustion engine) is sound. but the means taken to produce that hydrogen need to be done very carefully. If you want real fuel cells try starting at www.fuelcellstore.com hope this point people in the right direction

PS. If hydrogen leaks out it will move sky word very fast (45 ft/sec+) so if you use it make sure you have ample overhead vents. hydrogen can be a very powerful and safe fuel if use properly

[mydauphin]

Well said diesel... Hydrogen leaks like nothing at all, literally. Being smallest, lightest element it is by far the hardest to contain. Helium which is twice as big is still a leaker. Get a helium latex balloon and stick it underwater it will leak thru the skin of balloon.

WOW like that link I didn't know fuel cells like that could be bought off shelf.... Tell me what do you put in these fuel cell to power then.

[kerosene]

I checked the link in the 1st post
http://www.water4fuel4boats.com/8.html

Seems like the poster is not full of it in the sense that the results are not "revolutionary"


except the info he is posting from other visionaries is a little questionable.


"WHOA..HOLD-IT..STOP THE PRESS !!!!!!!

I JUST GOT A CALL FROM A LEADER IN THE FIELD WHO HAS 'DYNO-TESTED' A SERIES 60 GM DIESEL WITH A NEW DESIGN HHO CELL IN A SEMI-TRUCK ....RESULTS.......

50% increase in HORSEPOWER

80% decrease in EMMISIONS

90% increase in FUEL MILEAGE"

[Dieseltwitch]

Great, we all know that Hydrogen is a powerful fuel source! in fact its the most powerful in the known UNIVERSE!

But the way these half ass companies produce it is very dangerous! they generate 2 out of the 3 needed items for an explosion and fire in ONE location! When you break down water into hydrogen and oxygen by any other means then a membrane fuel cell or hydrogen production machine you place the oxidizer and fuel source in one tank! all you need is a single spark and BOOM! say good by to you boat/car/truck!

I think using hydrogen to increase power and fuel milage and decrease emissions is a great idea! But the way they generate that fuel is the important part!!!!

PS. Your CAPS LOCK IS STUCK!!! LMAO

[kerosene]

caps are from quoted text - which was all caps - of course due to the AMAMZINg and REVOLUTIONARY nature of the information

[apex1]

Absolutely great!! Thank you all!! I am so glad to gain all that knowledge.....

How about a "serious" conclusion on this topic?

[Dieseltwitch]

Originally Posted by apex1

How about a "serious" conclusion on this topic?

How about "Do it at your own risk!"

[kistinie]

H² is the first original matter of the universe
the beginning of creation
To your own risk...
:-))

[Towboat Ed]

How about the US Department of Transportation`s Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration has issued guidelines for use of Hydrogen in Commercial Vehicles : and notes that in a limited study HHO Kits increased mileage & reduced emmissions.


www.fmcsa.dot.gov/facts-research/art-technology-Hydrogen-Fuel-Systems.htm[/url]
these links dont work well for some reason, but it will take you to the FMCSA page , where you can just type 'HYDROGEN" IN THE SEARCH WINDOW...AND IT WILL COME-UP
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/.../researc...inal-nov07.pdf - 2008-01-10 -

[Towboat Ed]

If you look at the pics on my website, you will see that the HHO Unit is mounted under the cook stove. Future plans are to use the hho for cooking,instead of bottled Propane. Over 1000 miles later, we are still standing & afloat. We have,because of the Graphics on our boat, containing the H-word, been boarded by the US Coast Guard,Border Patrol,Florida Marine Patrol & 2 City Fire Boats & got a Clean Bill-of-Health from all,because there is nothing unsafe about our system.

Production ?? Precombustion Technologies of Sanford Florida has 3 Factories producing "The Cell" for the Trucking Industry.

As for the "Whoa,Hold It,Stop the Press..............I will post a copy of that dyno-report, after I attend the hho games.com, this weekend, in St.Petersburg,Fl.

[FAST FRED]

"Future plans are to use the hho for cooking,instead of bottled Propane."

Am wondering how many amp hours are required to replace a gallon of Propane ?

FF

[kerosene]

no kidding - but the true believers are convinced about the way over 100% efficient electrolysis.

People have very little grasp on how much energy is stored in fossil fuels - then they think that pulling couple of amps into a HHO bubbler will make a dent in their fuel bill.