Hi-Jacking threads

[ancient kayaker]

Although I have never liked the negative point feature item 3) would give it it a purpose.

I prefer to see who dings me a few points, it makes it easier to figure out what their beef is sometimes, so I vote for 2) as well.

[Zed]

The problem I have is abuse, the thing could be gamed if it lead to suspension. I can quite easily register five accounts, use a proxy and evade detection and then basically vote people off the island. If the accounts get pinged then I can go again... its not that hard to give the system a hard time on that front if you choose to. I don't, but I suspect some here do have "Sybil" issues.

Also its too easy to start wars, people PM'ing mates to pick on someone who has zapped them etc etc.

Staying positive and damning with no praise is much safer ground IMO.

For what ever that is worth!

[Asleep Helmsman]

The anonymous point system is worthless when used to rate in the negative. It gives week minded people the power to affect the way others are perceived.

The problem with expanding its power to include censorship is that the very same weak minded individuals will use it when they don’t agree with something, and not just to flag bad behavior.

I realize you are talking about making it public.

I would do that first.

Going all the way back to biblical times; societies have not condoned anonymous accusations.

“Thou shalt not bare false witness” -The Ninth Commandment
The right to face your accuser.- Paraphrased from The sixth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States and part of the original Bill of Rights.

< mod note: some posts moved from http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/ope...tml#post342101 as this is really talking about the same thing as this thread and off topic for the http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/ope...tml#post342101 Thread >

Hey guys,

just like to inform you that I am not longer active on this platform.
(at least for some time)


Too many pro´s have been pis-ed off quite recently, I am not willing to contribute any longer here too!

Thanks to all!
Richard

[masalai]

Asleep Helmsman, I am sure I said "closed" and not "deleted" if dormant for 60 days... If not that is what I intended, as there are just so many un-archived and very old threads to wade through - maybe those should be backed up and still available to view in case someone seeks data already posted... easy to do by creating a segment called "read-only archived stuff" and retaining the familiar categories as exist in the "active" area...

[Angélique]

I'm sorry to hear that Richard. And I'm also sorry for what I contributed to that. I have learned from you, technical, manners and English vocabulary. I thank You for that. I hope the conditions here will have such a change that on one day you can return with pleasure to this place. I will definitely need that because I am far from accomplished on the mentioned points on wich I learned form you.

I wish You al the best!

Kind regards,
Angel

PS
Crying now (I know, to late). I'll be one of the persons that will try to behave in the future. So at least you know that your efforts here were not totally in vain. Again, I'm very sorry for my part in your leaving.

PPS
Richard knows what I mean. I'm glad that not all of you knows about it.

[Guillermo]

I'm pretty sad to see how valuable contributing professionals do abandon these forums. A pity and a shame. I hope we'll all have enough cleverliness to stop this harmful drain and, contrarily, encourage professionals to come and stay contributing with their knowledge and experience.

I make votes to that end.

Sadly.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by masalai

Asleep Helmsman, I am sure I said "closed" and not "deleted" if dormant for 60 days... If not that is what I intended, as there are just so many un-archived and very old threads to wade through - maybe those should be backed up and still available to view in case someone seeks data already posted... easy to do by creating a segment called "read-only archived stuff" and retaining the familiar categories as exist in the "active" area...

I honestly don't old threads as a problem now -- for a long time now we already have a checkbox that must be checked next to a big ! exclamation point if one wants to reply to a very old thread (to prevent accidentally bumping something old.) The default sort order is by date, so the primary way you'd find the old thread is by searching out the subject specifically. I dislike forums where I find a very relevant thread that I have information on and find it's locked due to age... then you end up with another thread that says "sorry I couldn't post this in the locked thread, but here is what I wanted to post." If there is relevant information to add, I'd rather have it added right in the thread it's in reference to, even if it is a long time coming. So I think the existing setup is the best compromise for this.

[Zed]

+1

I agree!

[masalai]

Thanks Jeff, Agreed, and accepted - Just typing and realised the situation was covered so lazyily left it...

[Asleep Helmsman]

Originally Posted by masalai

Asleep Helmsman, I am sure I said "closed" and not "deleted" if dormant for 60 days... If not that is what I intended, as there are just so many un-archived and very old threads to wade through - maybe those should be backed up and still available to view in case someone seeks data already posted... easy to do by creating a segment called "read-only archived stuff" and retaining the familiar categories as exist in the "active" area...

I was referring to the ability to ban or suspend people for having negative reps.

Also I agree with Jeff, on a software development forum where I have learned a large portion of my craft, and had many important questions answered by others finding old threads and posting on them, bringing up solutions that are just as relevant now, as they were before.

This would be even be more pertinent here; given the traditional nature of boat design.

[masalai]

I still like the idea of letting some moderate their own threads...

I will never be happy with "anonymous negative rep" as it is too open to abuse and manipulation... "Banning" is fraught with problems and issues, but a "go away for 1 or 3 weeks and cool off" may help sometimes...

Direct or indirect threats and personal name-calling, as a petulant child behaviour pattern, may warrant longer participation withdrawal impositions?



AH - - censored ?? why on using a US-english dictionary, - makes sign of cross - "You are forgiven my son" - ...... the edit function seems to work fine, - as does the "delete" the entire post button (do not forget to confirm in 2 other places)

[Asleep Helmsman]

Originally Posted by Asleep Helmsman

I was referring to the ability to ban or suspend people for having negative reps.

Also I agree with Jeff, on a software development forum where I have learned a large portion of my craft, and had many important questions answered by others finding old threads and posting on them, bringing up solutions that are just as relevant now, as they were before.

This would be even be more pertinent here; given the traditional nature of boat design.

I should be censored for posting run on sentences.

Originally Posted by Angélique

I'm sorry to hear that Richard. And I'm also sorry for what I contributed to that. I have learned from you, English vocabulary, manners and technical. I thank You for that. I hope the conditions here will have such a change that on one day you can return with pleasure to this place. I will definitely need that because I am far from accomplished on the mentioned points on wich I learned for you.

I wish You all the best!

Kind regards,
Angel

PS
Crying now (I know, to late). I will be one of the persons that will try to behave in the future. So at least you know that your efforts here were not totally in vain. Again, I'm very sorry for my for my part in your leaving.

PPS
Richard knows what I mean. I'm glad that not all of you knows about it.

Long forgotten Angelique!
And I will at least check in sometimes to accomplish this:
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/ope...-so-29953.html

Sorry for the aside peers.
Richard

[Jeff]

I will do my best in 2010 to not have as choppy a year as 2009. Hopefully we will be able to encourage other members and also attract some new posters with experience and skills and generosity to fill the shoes of the handful of very prolific posters who have left this year; though it will not be easy to fill those shoes (and I sincerely thank them for their contributions), on a positive note, every day we do get new and interesting people with diverse experience joining too. It's too bad that everyone cannot agree and get along at all times, but I will try my best to do a better job of enforcing forum rules and keeping the forum sailing through the waves that do hit us in 2010. And with all of your help hopefully we will be able to focus the forums on more productive and constructive discussion in 2010.