If the vacuum is to high what are the problems ??

[rwatson]

Originally Posted by Herman

In America's Cup: There is only one race. Boats are built to win that race. If you make a boat that lasts, then you will not win. This is Formula 1 of sailing.
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Not at all !!! There are months of pre race training, heavy weather tuning and lots of practice runs for crew training. Then there is the "knock out" series, and then X races out of Y total.

Anyone who claims to be able to design a boat for one race is being overly grandiose - who can even predict the weather for the one race ?

Calling Tunnels a rank amateur also is blatant ignorance. Just because he asked for opinions on a subject he wanted clarification on, anyone who has built as many boats, in whatever material, cannot be insulted and belittled in such an offhand way without revealing a mean and ignorant nature.

[tunnels]

Originally Posted by rwatson

Not at all !!! There are months of pre race training, heavy weather tuning and lots of practice runs for crew training. Then there is the "knock out" series, and then X races out of Y total.

Anyone who claims to be able to design a boat for one race is being overly grandiose - who can even predict the weather for the one race ?

Calling Tunnels a rank amateur also is blatant ignorance. Just because he asked for opinions on a subject he wanted clarification on, anyone who has built as many boats, in whatever material, cannot be insulted and belittled in such an offhand way without revealing a mean and ignorant nature.

Its a little like water off a duck back . This is a boating site and if people want to get personal then they need to go find a hot women and shot there frustrations .
We are here to help people that ask questions because they want or need advice . There are a thousand ways of skinning a cat apart of holding it by the tail . Give 10 people one problem and you will get 12 ways of doing that one job, some will be good, some not so good, and others just plain ridiculas .Its the exchange of ideas and the passing on of Knowledge thats important so lets just get on with it !!!.

Originally Posted by tunnels

Most of the past nz Americas cup boats here still sail regularly on the Auckland harbour with a crew and a bunch of tourists ,They are also used to train up and coming sailers !.
Some of the really old Australian cup boats are used for cruising .
The match racing yachts for Koreas first Boat show match racing are still as good as the day they were first put in the water they get a lot of use for the training of future crews .
Your thinking is completely differant from mine and if i built a boat that fell apart and some one got drowned i could never live with myself .

No Tunnels we do not think completely different.

We think in race boats because that was your topic. You think in racing cruisers of the very old days. That is apples and oranges! And it shows again that you have no idea about the boatbuilding industry.
You have proven yourself wrong (or others did) on every other post you made.

Rwatson
before you fight for someones colours you should know where you might end up. Read tunnels posts and get a clue about the "expertise" of this self proclaimed expert.

Cuppers make training sessions in siblings of the race boat because the original could possibly brake. And even those similar built boats brake in every other session.
Racing vessels (except aircraft) are designed to brake, not to last. period

Regards
Richard

[tunnels]

Originally Posted by apex1

No Tunnels we do not think completely different.

We think in race boats because that was your topic. You think in racing cruisers of the very old days. That is apples and oranges! And it shows again that you have no idea about the boatbuilding industry.
You have proven yourself wrong (or others did) on every other post you made.

Rwatson
before you fight for someones colours you should know where you might end up. Read tunnels posts and get a clue about the "expertise" of this self proclaimed expert.

Cuppers make training sessions in siblings of the race boat because the original could possibly brake. And even those similar built boats brake in every other session.
Racing vessels (except aircraft) are designed to brake, not to last. period

Regards
Richard

Sorry i am not going to stoop to your level , this is a place where people come to find out info as i did long time ago . So shove it in a warm dark place !!

Originally Posted by tunnels

Sorry i am not going to stoop to your level , this is a place where people come to find out info as i did long time ago . :

That is the main reason why I contradict to any other of your posts!

These members ask for proven advice, not opinions, drivel, or your ever so often provided CV.

Quite too often you are completely wrong in your statements, which can make them expensive or even dangerous for a novice, when he is taking them for serious.

Dead sure I am NOT the GRP expert on this Forum, others, like Herman have several times more experience.
But even I have got you more then ten times pants down on GRP related questions.

You have proven (and your different threads on vac. bagging and cores show it), that you are a interested novice in the best case. The ability to repeat our experts knowledge does not make that better. Don´t dish out our expertise as yours as long as you don´t have the background. Remember the VE mischief I pointed out so often, which is now spread so willingly as your advice.

Regards
Richard

[Herman]

About chartering Americas Cuppers: I have seen it, and I think it is interesting.

Build a boat for paid charter purposes, and see how many regulations you will have to meet. In EU you at least need a CE approval. Guess what? Racing boats, ONLY INTENDED FOR RACING, are waived the CE rules.

I, however, have sincere doubts that it is wise, or even legal, to use a racer (and even more a racer of that pedigree) for paid charters. These boats are just too fragile, unless not built to win.

However, that is more a legal matter then a technical.

Leave it Herman,

the blind are teaching colour.........

A cupper cannot be chartered in EU waters! No MCA compliance, no CE compliance, no nothing...just a straight way to jail.

Technically a racer is the safest vessel one can buy (if one can), better technical support and assistance, better press, better support in case of failure is hard to get for a cruiser.

We should build racers only. More racers have been saved when the machine gave up, then cruisers ever could dream of!!!

But, we should eat more ****, billions of flys don´t err, is as valid!

Regards
Richard

[tunnels]

Originally Posted by apex1

Leave it Herman,

the blind are teaching colour.........

A cupper cannot be chartered in EU waters! No MCA compliance, no CE compliance, no nothing...just a straight way to jail.

Technically a racer is the safest vessel one can buy (if one can), better technical support and assistance, better press, better support in case of failure is hard to get for a cruiser.

We should build racers only. More racers have been saved when the machine gave up, then cruisers ever could dream of!!!

But, we should eat more ****, billions of flys don´t err, is as valid!

Regards
Richard

http://www.explorenz.co.nz/SailNZ/Sa...xperience.html

Originally Posted by tunnels

http://www.explorenz.co.nz/SailNZ/Sa...xperience.html

You do not even get that right, do you?

These boats have as much in common with the original racers as a expert with you!

"Club Mediterranee" was another example for a successful charter "racer".

And I said EU waters, did I?

How far from EU might Australia be?


AMATEUR..............

[tunnels]

Originally Posted by apex1

You do not even get that right, do you?

These boats have as much in common with the original racers as a expert with you!

"Club Mediterranee" was another example for a successful charter "racer".

And I said EU waters, did I?

How far from EU might Australia be?


AMATEUR..............

Whats Australia got to do with anything ?

Come on you can do better than this !! really say what you feel and get into it , show your true colours !! come on do it !!

[tunnels]

Originally Posted by rwatson

Not at all !!! There are months of pre race training, heavy weather tuning and lots of practice runs for crew training. Then there is the "knock out" series, and then X races out of Y total.

Anyone who claims to be able to design a boat for one race is being overly grandiose - who can even predict the weather for the one race ?

Calling Tunnels a rank amateur also is blatant ignorance. Just because he asked for opinions on a subject he wanted clarification on, anyone who has built as many boats, in whatever material, cannot be insulted and belittled in such an offhand way without revealing a mean and ignorant nature.

These pictures are of the world match racing boats used during the Korean International boat show 2008 .
The boat with the raised cabin roof is one of the same boats done as a cruising boat with berths for 6 adults and all the other stuff that cruising boats have inside .
All these boats were built with foam core from gunwhale to gunwhale stem to stern hulls and decks!
In the last 2 and a bit years have had a lot of long hard used by exsperianced and non exsperianced sailers in all kinds of conditions .Structually they are as good as the day they were taken out of the moulds . I set in place very stringant standards to be adhered to during there construction and assembly and to this day it has all paid off .