environmental concerns using boat yard paints and other chemicals

[the1much]

the site is almost cleaned up,,jus got back,,,the oil so far has only gotten bout 2 foot penetration into the dirt,,,hopefully none makes it to the aquifer,,,,
jimbo,, how many times in the last 10 years has the government raised their "tolerable" level,,,once,,,twice,,,,more?,,,,and isnt ANY pollution bad?and as i've said,,and the government says,,all that pollution moves,,usually ( unless REALLY bad) to the north east,,where THEY deal with YOUR pollution,,,,well mine too since im down here now ,,,and deal with OUR acid rain,,which messes with the water,,plant life,,and our aquifers.
well ive been awake for 30 something hours,,and got starters to fix, and a glass job on a small (wanna-be) boat,,,,,
1 more thingy,,,,we ALL know what the gov.says,,,and what they say is SAFE for us,,,,,like red-lead paint, nuclear waste is safely put away,,how much chlorine in our water from the paper mills,,all those drugs that help our weight and all our ailments,,no,,,wait,,,they've changed their minds again,,red lead aint safe,,to much chlorine kills our streams,,,no wait, that pill will end up killing ya, not help ya,,,
i find it hard to put ANY confidence in ANYONE that changes their minds on whats safe every year,,,but you can trust em,,,im pretty sure your air is as pure as 100 years ago. and as discovery channel says,,,1000 years ago their was 18 billion acres of forest,,today less then 5 billion, and predicted in 25 more years we'll be down to less then 2,,,,,,,sounds like that "forest" program the gov. has started(20 years ago) is doing great huh?

[Jimbo1490]

Much, every 5 years the government makes amendments to the Clean Air Act. There have never once been any relaxing of clean air standards during these amendments. To the contrary, they have consistently gotten stricter.

You should check out the latest research on acid rain, too. Once they got rid of >90% of the pollutants which were believed completely responsible for acid rain, everone thought it should go away. But guess what? It didn't. Turns out acid rain is mostly a natural phenomena, somewhat aggravated by man-made pollutants.

http://www.cityu.edu.hk/HKMetS/acid_guide.htm

This is just one quick link I found, there are bound to be more comprehensive explanations out there, but you get the idea.

All pollution is bad for you and in an ideal world, we could all breath 100% pure air, free of all contaminants. But you have to acknowledge that there are natural 'background', levels of just about any pollutant; it's not a perfect world. Once you have returned the natural environment to those background levels, it is just silly to waste effort and money to attempt to reduce pollution any further than that as you'll never do it! In many key areas, that's where we are today.

[the1much]

Much, every 5 years the government makes amendments to the Clean Air Act. There have never once been any relaxing of clean air standards during these amendments. To the contrary, they have consistently gotten stricter.

exactly,,,hehe,,and why do they do that?? so today your map showing 50 isnt bad,,,but next year 50 will mean bad because why? they figured out AGAIN that oo we was wrong,,,only this much is bad,,not the level we said last year.
and YES theres bad stuff NATURALLY comming out of the earth,,but the earth had its way of taking care of that,,like TREES, swamp land,and jus air,,but as we have saturated all the NATURAL answers to the problem,,it (the earth) cant deal with it.
and comming from a state that has 1 of the highest counts of acid rain because of idiots to the west and south of maine, i see it as a HUGE problem,,and yes,,it happens naturally, but we agravated it and made it WAY worse. and jimbo, you seem to really have faith in a government that makes more money when these industries make more money.,,would you take my word that the green stuff i'm letting some company dump is o.k for ya,,,specially if you found out i had a financial interest in that company?
and ya hit it on the head as i've been saying all along,,
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You should check out the latest research on acid rain, too. Once they got rid of >90% of the pollutants which were believed completely responsible for acid rain, everone thought it should go away. But guess what? It didn't. Turns out acid rain is mostly a natural phenomena, somewhat aggravated by man-made pollutants.

ya what the government THOUGHT,,but oo,,,they've changed their mind again,,now since they dont know WHAT causes it ( actually they play dumb pretty well huh) they try to say its natural,,,,,hmmm 20 years ago acid rain wasnt a QUARTER as high as it is today,,,and that "90%" is from the HIGHEST level ever recorded.,,,,,1 time it took me 8 rolls of paper to sand a boat,,the last boat took me 2,,,,does that mean i'm that much better now?,, or does it mean i dont do as good of a sanding job now?, or does it mean that 1 boat was really unfair? or maybe it was just cheaper paper?,,,,does this now mean i can tell people im 70% better then what i was? or do i do the same kind of work but say that to make it SEEM im so much better?
wells all of ta work till break 1 hehe
heres a BIG tree hug from muchy

[Jimbo1490]

Less pollution + cleaner air = more acid rain. Therefore, acid rain mostly natural, just like I said. Dirt cores show acid rain was a problem a long timae ago, long before large scale industrial emissions, which are mostly gone now anyway. How do you explain that?

[the1much]

Originally Posted by Jimbo1490

Less pollution + cleaner air = more acid rain. Therefore, acid rain mostly natural, just like I said. Dirt cores show acid rain was a problem a long timae ago, long before large scale industrial emissions, which are mostly gone now anyway. How do you explain that?

less pollution? since when,,,what we have less then 2 years ago? how bout 50 years ago? less then we had 100 years ago?
and cleaner air? since when,,,??last year? woooopie,,,,how much higher ia acid rain,air pollution,and just plain ole garbage filled swamp land?? and yes SOME acid rain happens naturally,,,and if you could read what is written now what ya wanna see, if ya payed attention in science class, and read my previous post,,,,the earth took care of it NATURALLY,,but since we ADDED to it and made it worse, it is NOW and has been a problem the last 50 years,,it only dropped in the last 6 years,,but dropped from its HIGHEST point 10 years AGO.
explain to us who have eyes we see with and common sense from what year and point did pollution drop????

[Jimbo1490]

You need to get a grip, dude! Pollution has been dropping for about a century and especially since the 1950's. There are numerous books and white papers that have been published detailing it for you. It's just that the only thing you seem to trust is the green wackos and they will NEVER tell you that pollution levels are falling, NO MATTER WHAT! That would be like a labor union leader saying "Well, wages are high enough and working conditions are just jim-dandy, so I think we'll just disband the union and go home." No matter what objective scientists say, whether they are funded by the gov't, or a university or WHATEVER, the green wackos have a vested interested in keeping people WORRIED SICK that the world is falling down around them! Now if they were really honest in their beliefs, they would at least try to goad us all into worrying about those things that really are of pressing need. But they don't do that because those things don't lead to the most political gains. The environment is just the vehicle, not the destination. And thus my disenchantment with the movement.

[the1much]

and your "theory" is based on a "BUSINESS" (government), to police itself on what it "allows" and "sees" and says is "acceptable" amounts,of "whatever" for the "person" (every employer business,and tax payer) that GIVES them MONEY under DURESS with NO choice. and the more MONEY that "person" makes,,that government"THAT BIG BUSINESS" makes.,,,and you think i'm
and sorry jimbo,,,,but history has proven over and over,and OVER,,,all planets come to an end sooner or later,,,,i'd just like to see it later. but if you need the comfort of a hug,,,,and whispered sweet nuffinf,,"like dont worry,,it will never end,,,,we make the world a better place EVERY day,,,,every day we make things that if there was jus 1 mishap,,,or if people "actually" knew,,but dont worry sweety,,,,everything will be here as long as people like you care,,and so what if 100 years from now its worse,,,i'll be dead,,"
,,,,isnt that jus a sweet lullaby,
good night sunshine

[PAR]

After artfully applying the 19 letters it takes (cursive usually), to spell out my full given name in the fleshly laid snow, I usually am more then satisfied in the exclamation and prefer not to play in the yellow stuff, but head back inside for another round of beers, next to the comfort of the fire.

[the1much]

i miss my wood stove ,,they aint got nuff trees here to have one
man they jus seem ta heat ya from the inside

[longliner45]

wait, wait,,, wait is par complaing about the cold?,,,,,oh happy day,,, longliner

[PAR]

It's getting nasty tonight, down into the 40's for the third night in a row. We'll get back into the 70's by Monday, with lows in the 50's which is cold but I have a coat.

I wasn't complaining about the cold (but since you brought it up) I was referring to the pissing contest that has been going on here, John.

[Kaptin-Jer]

Hi Paul,
I set this thread up just for these two. They started back in another thread. They both have good points and I am sure they will eventually agree to disagree. --Wrong about the weather, it is going to be a perfect weekend for messing about on boats down here.

[the1much]

shoot,,,it got down ta 20 here 1 night,stayed in the 30's then another night of 20's,,,,now we back to that GREAT global warmin,,,hehehe,,,in the 60's ,,,,i LUV texas in the winter,,,,,,wells cept fer puttin up with cowBOYS and red-neck imposters
man i didnt know this many stupid people could live so close togather and not accidently all forget ta breathe 1 day,,,,they have daily reminders on the news several times a day,,,"remember everyone,,,,we dont have "common" sense, or more then 3 brain cells,,, so we ALL need to remember to BREATHE,,if we hold our breathes,,,we could die,,so,,,innnnn,,,,ooouuuuttttt,,,,"
hehehe,,their a little "simple" here

[the1much]

hehehehehe,,,,,,i wasnt having a P,P, contest,,,,hahahhaa,,,,,ya need to look at it as i won the minute he said he gets a "dust free" paint job in florida outside on the tar mac,,,,,so from that comment on,,,,,look at it as,,," an old codger hippie,,,,getting the laugh of his life,,and jus stringing jimbo along for the daily "holding my gut laughing" comedy relief" heheheh,,,,my kids are getting boring
hahha even my ole lady every night says,,what that,,,ummm,,,(id say that that would be "attacking heh") have to say today,,,,has he said them rooftop gardend on them high rises in new york are "reforestation" yet? " hahaha
so i figure since he so easy,,,and needs that "daily reminder" it keeps me from picking on my kids
AND YOU P P YELLOW?,,,,,,no wonder people look at my name in the snow funny,,,,i picked the wrong color

[the1much]

hahahahaa,,,,,,today on "mythbusters" they trying the myth about Pee'n on the third rail,on an electric train,,,hahahahaha
that reminds me,,,,somewhere in europe they're studying the effects of "cow FartS " on global warming,,,,heh,,,i'm making my picket sign right nows,,in "enviro-friendly" paint,,,,"PLUG THE COWS A**" "STOP COW FARTS!"
i bought a painting the other day from a new japanese artist, he painted in "biodegradable" paint,,,,,its titled "spots on wall",,by who-flungdung