Sounthampton Institute - should I go that route?

[MarkC]

Does anyone know what the newly passed University fees will add to the cost?

I read above that EU students are charged Pounds 1100 - but what are non EU students charged?

[guest12020101217]

Your question can't really be answered because the higher education bill has not been passed yet.
The "top up fee" vote in the UK was not about passing a new system or law. The vote was "Should the higher education bill get a 2nd reading in the house commans?" Nothing has been pasted.
The bill which includes outlines of the so called "top up fee" will now be debated (may at commans commitees or on the floors of the commans).
Basicly after a great amount of debate, study etc etc. The bill will be put before the commans for a vote. (All this is the "READING" which was voted on yesterday). Then it will go to the House of Lords.
To get a idea of cost (to non EU and EU student) use the current system. The only way to get a correct amount is to look at the goverment websites and talk to the uni's etc etc.

[nico]

Non-EU students pay 6000 £ a year.

[MarkC]

Thanks - that will teach me for listening to CNN news broadcasts!

Nico - 6000 pounds a year!

[nico]

Yes and 1100£ for EU

[ErikG]

Great to see all the interest that my original questions created!

Unfortunately my finances (and the woman controlling them) sas no to do it this year... Bummer... I feel like I'm getting older by the minute, and I guess I am...

Well I'll keep going with my books then, and enjoy building my moth...
But next year I'm definetly going! But if anyone have any money they don't need just ship them my way and then I might be able to go sooner... :-)

Erik

[SONIA]

are you ever going to get intouch or dont you want to

Southampton Institute is a great course I went there. Its definately the flagship course at the institute. However a note of caution because the BEng (Hons) degree is now not directly elegable for charter status they have been able to cut the teaching hours. Removed most of the exams and have lost some of the more expericed lecturer.

Talk to the collage about it direct and i'm sure they will be helpfull. (Talk to or e-mail Giles Barkley or Steven Wallis) The thing about the course is there now doubting that ship science is more academic and theory based the institute offers a better grounding in the use of practical design tools and small crafts.

You also need to think about employment after completing the course you get tarnished with the yacht design brush and some pure naval architecture jobs for larger vessels are harder to get.

p.s. the foundation course at the institute a waste of time you'd do better resiting the first year! I think we had two survivor from it the rest were all on yacht manufacturing and surveying after transfering!

Good luck with your studies

as to the whole insititue or uni debate...I feel that although some of the best did graduate from the institute, it was (sorry chaps) a while ago...i know several very successful designers in the yacht trade who have all been there...at least 10 years ago however...

rumour has it, even amongst these chaps, that the uni is now the place to go as several of the lecturers from the 'old' institute course have now moved there....speaking from experience...yes the course at the uni is more large boats in the first couple of years, but the knowledge is definitely related to all fields, and what one specialises in in the 3rd/4th years is very dependent on a) how much work you're prepared to put in and b) what modules and projects you choose.....

so there you have it....a lot of the newer uni graduates are now making it with teams such as GBR challenge, Kingfisher and the oyster yacht setup to name but a few....so i'd go with the uni...i think you get a more all round degree which (if you should ever decide yacht design isn't for you) will open paths into many fields...and also the course can be tailored to suit the individual more...

but then again being a uni grad i could be bias....the same could be said for the insitute grads....

As far as I am aware, none of the teaching staff from the Institute are at the Uni. Some left (independently!) to go to other design schools abroad, but have been replaced.

Judging by friends who have done the course over the last few years, it still seems very well respected in the industry and graduates don't seem to have many problems getting jobs in most career areas. I did the course a few years ago, and most of the stuff the recent graduates are doing seems to be a very similar quality to our work!

[eckmuhl]

Honestly Institute is better for small yacht and Uni for large boat at least 4the 3first year cause after people from Institute have to move 2uni to continue studying so in Master there is student both on small or racing yacht and some other on larger boat.
And in this school like a lot the level of the graduate are really different cause it's only depend on how much you wanna work &learn ; it's quite easy to have the diploma so if you really wanna work as a naval architect later you need to do more than just what teacher ask you to do & Southampton is one of the best place to learn about yacht....

[SailDesign]

I'm going to put in a good word for the Institute, even though it was still the Southampton College of Technology when I went there (showing my age again...)

I have seen nothing to equal it for the sailing yacht/powerboat end of things. If you wanted to get into more commercial stuff, then the Uni is probably still better, but who wants to do THAT?!?

Steve

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[nico]

I did my BEng at the Institute, and now doing a master at the University. I think this the best way if you are interested in sailing yachts. Everything at the institute is related to yacht and a bit to powercraft. It is true that hydrostatics, stability etc.. is the same for ships but structural requirement are different, sails, performance,etc.. are other things.
I am doing some classes with people that did the course at Uni, and I think the course at the institute was pretty good.

[brian eiland]

Originally Posted by nico

I did my BEng at the Institute, and now doing a master at the University. I think this the best way if you are interested in sailing yachts. Everything at the institute is related to yacht and a bit to powercraft. It is true that hydrostatics, stability etc.. is the same for ships but structural requirement are different, sails, performance,etc.. are other things.
I am doing some classes with people that did the course at Uni, and I think the course at the institute was pretty good.

Dear Nico, et al,
We are attempting to flush out as much scattered info as we can find on the subject of twin keels (discussions).

I've included here an excerpt from a report indicating there may be some valuable data included in a Southampton study done some years ago. Could you advise how we might get this info to add to our forum discussions??
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Excerpt from Lord Riverdale’s Twin Keel paper presented to Royal Institute of Naval Architects in 1967


In recent years the interest in full-scale twin keeled craft has been paralleled by model experiments of varying degrees of technical sophistication. These have been aimed more at a comparison of the absolute performance characteristics than at the evaluation of a particular yacht design and they are particularly interesting because of this.

Tank tests

Southampton University have sponsored tests on a hull fitted with a range of alternative side force producing appendages and this work, which was carried out in the tank at the British Hovercraft Corporation, Cowes, was completed in 1966. Early in 1967, the author and Mr. Paul Spens of Southampton ~university discussed the findings of these tests and their possible relationship to those obtained during the ‘Bluebird of Thorne’ program and mutually agreed that it would be a pity if either set were treated in isolation as there was much o be learned by comparison and cross comment. A full report by Southampton University will be available in due course and the author therefore confines himself to brief remarks intended only to draw attention to points of interest in the work that relates solely to twin keels.

The object of the Southampton University series of tests was to examine the relative merits of a centerboard, bilge keels, and leeboards when fitted as alternatives on a shallow draught hull. The hull form chosen was that of a large yacht of 50 ft. L.W.L. designed by Philip Rhodes, an example of the beamy shallow-draught centerboard type that was proved most successful and popular, particularly in the USA., as a combined cruiser and racer. In order to avoid the complications that would arise from simultaneous changes of the hull form and appendages, the small central ballast keel with single rudder was retained for all the tests, and consequently the V.C.G. remained constant. On account of possible structural and other complications it was decided that the bilge keels should not extend below the central keel. The draught it was therefore proportionately less than that of Bluebird of Thorne and the bilge keels were of lower aspect ratio and correspondingly less efficient. They were symmetrical foils of NACA ~6.006 section set at 25’ to the vertical and parallel to the centerline. The experimental program did not permit an attempt to obtain the optimum in the design and location of the bilge keels.
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