Boat Design Forums  |  Boat Design Directory  |  Boat Design Gallery  |  Boat Design Book Store  |  Thanks to Our Site Sponsors

Go Back   Boat Design Forums > Employment and Education > Education
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-04-2007, 11:00 AM
ctosuner ctosuner is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Rep: 10 Posts: 10
Location: Istanbul, Turkey
Principles of Naval Architecture

Hi all,

I am a naval architect and would like improve myself about yacht design. In order to reach my aim I may enroll to the course such as Westlawn in the near future. But for now I am looking forward to having some publications about that subject. First I thought Principles of Naval Architecture(PNA) of SNAME would benefit me all about naval construction principles including small crafts and took it from a library and found it too complex and almost only for commercial ships. What do you guys think about it?

My aim is to combine my naval architecture fundemental (my theorical knowledge is not so deep) with yacht design principles. That's why I've dissapointed about PNA. I am currently working in a boatyard that fiberglass boats are produced, so I have practical experience instead of theorical. I am looking for some books for my aim. And also do you recommend Westlawn someone like me? I need to be able to design yachts professionally from preliminary to the systems with all the engineering calculations. So what is your advice?

Thanks for instance for your replies.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-04-2007, 01:13 PM
RANCHI OTTO's Avatar
RANCHI OTTO RANCHI OTTO is offline
Naval Architect
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Rep: 503 Posts: 1,032
Location: TRIESTE (ITALY)
Send a boat designed by you..only to have an idea...
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-04-2007, 01:42 PM
Patrick BLOSSE's Avatar
Patrick BLOSSE Patrick BLOSSE is offline
La Terre entière.
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Rep: 57 Posts: 34
Location: PARIS, FRANCE
Overlook on yacht design

Quote:
Originally Posted by ctosuner View Post
Hi all,

I am a naval architect and would like improve myself about yacht design. In order to reach my aim I may enroll to the course such as Westlawn in the near future. But for now I am looking forward to having some publications about that subject. First I thought Principles of Naval Architecture(PNA) of SNAME would benefit me all about naval construction principles including small crafts and took it from a library and found it too complex and almost only for commercial ships. What do you guys think about it?

My aim is to combine my naval architecture fundemental (my theorical knowledge is not so deep) with yacht design principles. That's why I've dissapointed about PNA. I am currently working in a boatyard that fiberglass boats are produced, so I have practical experience instead of theorical. I am looking for some books for my aim. And also do you recommend Westlawn someone like me? I need to be able to design yachts professionally from preliminary to the systems with all the engineering calculations. So what is your advice?

Thanks for instance for your replies.
Hello,

For a quick glance at that so fine art, I must bear witness to a remarquable comprehensive work: "Principles of Yacht Design", from L.LARSSON & R.E.ELIASSON (Ed. Adlard Coles Nautical, London); taking thread from a 40 footer overall design from the architect point of view.

Kindly.

Patrick, from Paris, France
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-04-2007, 02:52 PM
ctosuner ctosuner is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Rep: 10 Posts: 10
Location: Istanbul, Turkey
Thanks Patrick for your recommendation, I was also considering that book. But if it is only from an architect point of view, it may not be technical enough?

Ranchi, as I understood you are curious about one boat designed by me, but I have no design experience at all, that's why I need advise to be able to get that qualification. I am working as a boatbuilder in the field of the boatyard. I've read before that you're an Westlawn alumni. I would like to hear your experiences about Westlawn.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-04-2007, 02:52 PM
Trevlyns Trevlyns is offline
Senior Citizen/Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Rep: 461 Posts: 689
Location: London UK
I can certainly recommend the book mentioned by Patrick – very informative and as technical as a naval architect would appreciate!
Another “standard” book (although slightly dated) is Elements of Yacht Design (Seafarer Books) by Norman Locke Skene. I’m sure a search on Amazon will turn up both these titles. Good luck!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-04-2007, 03:13 PM
RANCHI OTTO's Avatar
RANCHI OTTO RANCHI OTTO is offline
Naval Architect
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Rep: 503 Posts: 1,032
Location: TRIESTE (ITALY)
ctosuner,

I have carried out the Westlawn in 2 years studying and working in Geneva.

My experience was very positive and today I can only say...thanks to this School. I'm very proud of my diploma...invest in your talent and became a student of this school.

Good luck

Otto
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-05-2007, 12:50 AM
ctosuner ctosuner is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Rep: 10 Posts: 10
Location: Istanbul, Turkey
Thanks Trevlyns and Otto for sharing your ideas and experiences.

Good luck
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-05-2007, 03:15 AM
ctosuner ctosuner is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Rep: 10 Posts: 10
Location: Istanbul, Turkey
By the way, I am also curious that if the education of Westlawn and the books such as "Principles of Yacht Design" include the methods and the calculations of strength, as the most important part of the design. Because I couldn't find Strength topic in Westlawn Modules. Determining the strength elements (transverses and longitudinals) and lamination plan is so important, I am like sure those include them but in any case I need you to verify this information if possible.

Thanks in advance..
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-05-2007, 05:52 AM
Raggi_Thor's Avatar
Raggi_Thor Raggi_Thor is offline
Nav.arch/Designer/Builder
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Rep: 696 Posts: 2,457
Location: Trondheim, NORWAY
For most boat you will use some relevant scantling rules to determine dimensions, hull thickness etc. ABS or DNV for example.
__________________
Regards, Kvedja, mvh,
Ragnar Thor Mikkelsen
www.MBOATS.no
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-05-2007, 09:28 AM
harhhnt harhhnt is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Rep: 22 Posts: 31
Location: glen cove long island new york
The Book

Quote:
Originally Posted by ctosuner View Post
Hi all,

I am a naval architect and would like improve myself about yacht design. In order to reach my aim I may enroll to the course such as Westlawn in the near future. But for now I am looking forward to having some publications about that subject. First I thought Principles of Naval Architecture(PNA) of SNAME would benefit me all about naval construction principles including small crafts and took it from a library and found it too complex and almost only for commercial ships. What do you guys think about it?

My aim is to combine my naval architecture fundemental (my theorical knowledge is not so deep) with yacht design principles. That's why I've dissapointed about PNA. I am currently working in a boatyard that fiberglass boats are produced, so I have practical experience instead of theorical. I am looking for some books for my aim. And also do you recommend Westlawn someone like me? I need to be able to design yachts professionally from preliminary to the systems with all the engineering calculations. So what is your advice?

Thanks for instance for your replies.
Skeins elements of yacht design, it is out of print, if you can find it.
If you find it I would like to get a copy, mine was borrowed you know how that goes. Harry Hunt
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03-05-2007, 12:17 PM
Patrick BLOSSE's Avatar
Patrick BLOSSE Patrick BLOSSE is offline
La Terre entière.
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Rep: 57 Posts: 34
Location: PARIS, FRANCE
TURNER's method analysis

Hello,

An ancient method used for designing a well balanced hull under sail was famously proposed by Admiral TURNER.

I am looking for a comprehensive discussion about that method, especially from it's hydrodynamical point of view.

Thank you in advance.

Patrick
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 03-05-2007, 12:33 PM
Crag Cay Crag Cay is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Rep: 547 Posts: 629
Location: UK
T Harrison Butler was an advocate of Turner's methods and their use in yacht design.

His book "Cruising Yachts - Design and Performance" was reprinted with a preface by Ian Howlett in 1995. This fourth edition was published by Excellent Press, ISBN 0 8548 7397 0
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 03-05-2007, 12:55 PM
ctosuner ctosuner is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Rep: 10 Posts: 10
Location: Istanbul, Turkey
Harry, I don't understand why you couldn't find Elements of Yacht Design of Skene. It is easy to find via Amazon (Seafarer Books). Isn't it what you are looking for?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 03-06-2007, 09:45 AM
harhhnt harhhnt is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Rep: 22 Posts: 31
Location: glen cove long island new york
Havn't looked. Thanks for the direction. Just wanted to give you the title in case you were not aware of this book.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 03-06-2007, 09:53 AM
ctosuner ctosuner is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Rep: 10 Posts: 10
Location: Istanbul, Turkey
Thanks Harry, I hope it is what you are looking for...
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Naval Architecture calculations PNACS Services & Employment 2 01-18-2011 01:20 PM
College for Naval Architecture Archive Education 15 04-07-2008 01:42 PM
offshore your naval architecture needs. navarch25 Services & Employment 0 12-30-2006 05:07 AM
W.H.White NAVAL ARCHITECTURE ongolo Boat Design 17 08-11-2005 11:58 PM
Naval 'Architecture' willace Metal Boat Building 5 01-05-2005 09:23 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:23 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Web Site Design and Content Copyright ©1999 - 2012 Boat Design Net