Yanmar - How long should it take for oil pressure to come up from a cold start?

[masalai]

I guess - Next time it will be a truck or car (SUV?) motor and marinised locally....

[Frosty]

I looked at that Mass very carefully, it only saves a few thousand.

[masalai]

And years of anguish? and having to piss in pockets to find nothing out from Yan???

[Frosty]

Weell I know I said Yanmar are crap but now I got the issues under control , Ille tell yer they start by just putting the key in the hole. They are giving gobs of power and do the job perfectly I have not replaced anything not even an impellor over 7 years,--I got 4 spares.

Things might have been different if I had lived in Aus where the engineer could come and see.

Even if it is a Toyota I can use Toyota spares then!!!!

The Land cruiser 1 HD 6 cylinder diesel is still known as a ball kicker in 4 wheel drive vehicles.

Geezuz Frosty is such a wanker complaining about Yanmar now he loves them.

Ha-- Beat yer to it!!

[masalai]

Not-so , - - I would have said, "Frosty, you should have called this thread - 'Toyota/Yanmar marine conversion engine is great... but service support is frickin NOT good enough' - ..." - - - -

For being so "self effacing" and "non-arrogant", I tried to award you some points but Jeff, it seems, has disabled my generosity - - - "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Frosty again."

[yachtwork]

I understand your frustration with your engine.

Here are some facts-

• Yanmar controls about 45% of the marine leisure market
• Volvo controls about 45% of the marine leisure market

Do a Google Keyword search for

• Yanmar trouble shooting
• and
• Volvo trouble shooting

The ratio is about 6,000 to 66,000 searchers per month.

Or to put it another way there are ten guys trying to fix a Volvo for every guy fixing a Yanmar.

Also after working in a Yanmar/Volvo dealership I can tell you it was always easier to get warranty replacements on Yanmar than Volvo.

Regards
Scott

[murdomack]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Weell I know I said Yanmar are crap but now I got the issues under control , Ille tell yer they start by just putting the key in the hole. They are giving gobs of power and do the job perfectly I have not replaced anything not even an impellor over 7 years,--I got 4 spares.

Things might have been different if I had lived in Aus where the engineer could come and see.

Even if it is a Toyota I can use Toyota spares then!!!!

The Land cruiser 1 HD 6 cylinder diesel is still known as a ball kicker in 4 wheel drive vehicles.

Geezuz Frosty is such a wanker complaining about Yanmar now he loves them.

Ha-- Beat yer to it!!

Congratulations on finding a solution that makes you love your engines again. Here is the start of a famous poem, McAndrew's Hymn by Rudyard Kipling. You and McAndrew have something in common now,

Lord, Thou hast made this world below the shadow of a dream,
An', taught by time, I tak' it so - exceptin' always Steam.
From coupler-flange to spindle-guide I see Thy Hand, O God -
Predestination in the stride o' yon connectin'-rod.
John Calvin might ha' forged the same - enorrmous, certain,
slow -
Ay, wrought it in the furnace-flame - my "Institutio."
I cannot get my sleep to-night; old bones are hard to please;
I'll stand the middle watch up here-alone wi' God an' these
My engines, after ninety days o' race an' rack an' strain
Through all the seas of all Thy world, slam-bangin' home again.
Slam-bang too much-they knock a wee-the crosshead-gibs are
loose;
But thirty thousand mile o' sea has gied them fair excuse....
Fine, clear an' dark-a full-draught breeze, wi' Ushant out o' sight,
An' Ferguson relievin' Hay. Old girl, ye'll walk to-night!
His wife's at Plymouth.... Seventy-One-Two-Three since he
began-

[Karl2]

Originally Posted by yachtwork

I understand your frustration with your engine.

Here are some facts-

• Yanmar controls about 45% of the marine leisure market
• Volvo controls about 45% of the marine leisure market

Do a Google Keyword search for

• Yanmar trouble shooting
• and
• Volvo trouble shooting

The ratio is about 6,000 to 66,000 searchers per month.

Or to put it another way there are ten guys trying to fix a Volvo for every guy fixing a Yanmar.

Also after working in a Yanmar/Volvo dealership I can tell you it was always easier to get warranty replacements on Yanmar than Volvo.

Regards
Scott

Scott,

Your facts are a bit off. My guess for the global marine leisure market is:

Volvo Penta 35%
Yanmar 25%
CAT, Cummins, MAN, MTU and others 40%

If I google hits for November 2009:

Yanmar Trouble Shooting: 38,000
Volvo Trouble Shooting: 209,000

In this search there are some lawn tractors in the Yanmar numbers and the majority of the Volvo hits are for Cars, trucks, front end loaders, etc. etc.

If I instead Google "Volvo Penta Trouble Shooting" I get 13,500 hits for November 2009.

Or to put it another way: With less Yanmar products in the field there are three guys trying to fix a Yanmar for every guy fixing a Volvo Penta.

Karl2

[TollyWally]

LOL,
I generally respect Volvo engineering but in the world of commercial working boats that I am somewhat aquainted with, the concensus is the Swede's are too damn proud of their spare parts.

[Frosty]

If we are judging engines by the price of spare parts then Yanmar should be given a slot.

They could win too,--easy.

[powerabout]

One thought on the google results.
If the majority are late model electronic engines only the certified dealers can work on them as a user cannot get the info from the factory.
So presumably the owners dont google as they know its useless.
Some of the kit you can buy will let you check faults bit you cant fix them or reset.
Its even in the commercial world now as tier II gensets are around.
Its fly a technician to the vessel while the onboard engineers stand by and watch the guy plug his equipment in and then to the internet for the answers.
Same for outboards. The computer is proprietery data so you are not going to get access to it.
Unless the aftermarket makes computers and then gets all the EPA/IMO/EU certification...is that going to happen???

[murdomack]

Originally Posted by TollyWally

LOL,
I generally respect Volvo engineering but in the world of commercial working boats that I am somewhat aquainted with, the concensus is the Swede's are too damn proud of their spare parts.

A few years ago a friend who supplies engines to a lot of the locql fishing fleet said, when I asked him why you seldom saw Volvo engines in fishing boats, that they were "not a hard engine". He said that Fords and Daewoo's were "hard engines".

I had an old Volvo Penta in my moter sailer at the time and was looking for a relacement due to its age and that it was raw water cooled. I ended up buying a Westerbeke as it was a better fit than what Volvo offered, giving me better access to work on it.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by powerabout

One thought on the google results.
If the majority are late model electronic engines only the certified dealers can work on them as a user cannot get the info from the factory.
So presumably the owners dont google as they know its useless.
Some of the kit you can buy will let you check faults bit you cant fix them or reset.
Its even in the commercial world now as tier II gensets are around.
Its fly a technician to the vessel while the onboard engineers stand by and watch the guy plug his equipment in and then to the internet for the answers.
Same for outboards. The computer is proprietery data so you are not going to get access to it.
Unless the aftermarket makes computers and then gets all the EPA/IMO/EU certification...is that going to happen???

So dont buy them then, I certainly won't buy such a marine engine.

[FAST FRED]

So dont buy them then, I certainly won't buy such a marine engine.

Gets really hard as the world law makers are sold on the global warming HOAX and its they who decide what a new boat gets , not reality, usefullness , economy , reliability.

FF

[powerabout]

I dont think you have a choice any more unless you want to marinise your own diesel