Would you like to work in Linux vs. Windows?

[jonathan]

I am currently looking at using Linux for my design work, but most of the software that I use is Windows-only. I have installed a Debian wich works very well, and gave WINE a go but it is incapable of running my design software (AutoCAD, Multisurf).
Would anybody have had the same experience and found solution, or is it just a dead end ?

Thanks.

[jprev]

Bill Gates and the auto executive having lunch?

Gates was bragging that if his company was building cars they would be getting 100 miles per gallon and cost $99.99!

The auto exec smiled and said that was wonderful, but he didn't think people would like driving a car that crashed three times a day.



Regards,

Joe

[snakefeet]

Back in September I talked up RedHat and their subscription plan. Shortly thereafter I decided to 'eat my own dogfood' and give it a try. Its a bit anticlimactic but if you've read this thread this far, I guess l should at least give you a summary of how it went.

RedHat 9 was nice. A month after I got it installed RedHat announced that they were dropping the RedHat Linux line in favor of their business-oriented (and profitable) RedHat Enterprise Linux line. Entry price: $179.

I then considered my options to be the Fedora Project (an offshoot of RedHat), Debian and BSD. There are a lot of good things about the BSD projects. Their lineage traces directly back to the original UNIX. They have a much more central and controlled development process. Over 10,000 pieces of software have been ported to FreeBSD. And I still want to try a BSD. But week of evenings spent unsuccessfully trying to get FreeBSD running on one of my boxes forced me to shelve that idea for now.

In fact, I've regressed! I reformatted my RedHat installation to make room to back up files from another windows box. A Knoppix CD saved my skin during this process - but that's another story.

I think I'll try Debian next, or maybe it's offshoot, Gentoo that I've been hearing a lot about.

These machines and different software packages are fun in a way. But I must say that for drafting, my old rolls of mylar and box of lead holders and technical pens look more and more appealing every day.

Originally Posted by ErikG

The Wintel platform is pretty ok but the OS, I don't like it!
I do NOT wan't to make this into another Mac/PC debate.

So for as long as there are no useful 3D software that I can afford on the Mac, and the only good hull software is Max Surf (and that is way behind the PC version), I'll keep using windows.

But one can still wish and hope I guess...

ErikG

The lack of 3D software for the Mac is a very annoying myth. There are plenty of excellent CAD / 3D software for the Mac and many of them are more well designed than on Windows.

VectorWorks is an example where you get real 3D, real solid modeling, very good general purpose 2D drafting and it is much easier to use than AutoCAD. Around here it also costs less than AC LT, so to me it is an enigma why anyone buys AC at all.

True that MaxSurf has not been updated since December 1998 (I think), but there are alternatives. Check out TouchCAD (www.touchcad.com), which is shipped in both Mac and Windows versions, including MacOSX, which is a UNIX based system without being UNIX messy to handle.

/C

[Robert Miller]

I too have no wish to start (or join) a Windows/Linux/MacOS war, or any other sort of war for hat matter.

For me... it's simple:

I like things that work, better than things that don't.
I like things that work well, better than things that don't.

Unix, or some form of Unix, is the most stable commonly available language around at this time.
MacOS 10 and Linux are both UNIX based.
Compared with Linux, Mac OS10 is far the smoother, slicker interface.
Mac graphics use the same graphics engines as any high end machine may use.
The bus speed of the Mac G5 exceeds any other desktop, and a dual G5 can render faster than any other platform available to us.
Windows? Yeah... there are some good software packages, but... Windows crashes. The OS is illogical. Backward compatability? Doesn't exist.

My preferences then?
MacOS10>Linux>>>>>>>>>>>>....>>>.... windows

Windows crashes. Period.

Robert

[ludesign]

Originally Posted by Robert Miller

I too have no wish to start (or join) a Windows/Linux/MacOS war, or any other sort of war for hat matter.

For me... it's simple:

I like things that work, better than things that don't.
I like things that work well, better than things that don't.

Unix, or some form of Unix, is the most stable commonly available language around at this time.
MacOS 10 and Linux are both UNIX based.
Compared with Linux, Mac OS10 is far the smoother, slicker interface.
Mac graphics use the same graphics engines as any high end machine may use.
The bus speed of the Mac G5 exceeds any other desktop, and a dual G5 can render faster than any other platform available to us.
Windows? Yeah... there are some good software packages, but... Windows crashes. The OS is illogical. Backward compatability? Doesn't exist.

My preferences then?
MacOS10>Linux>>>>>>>>>>>>....>>>.... windows

Windows crashes. Period.

Robert

TouchCAD is as far as I know the only generic MacOS 10 hull fairing program around. It's also available for MacOS Classic (8.6 to 9.2 or) Windows 32. It may even be available for Linux if there is a demand for it. If you are interested in a Linux version I suggest that you contact Lundstrom Design and make a request (contact info at www.touchcad.com ).

[ABoatGuy]

I play on a Mac (OSX) and work in Windows (Vista & 7).

Most specialized main stream marine software is simply not available in anything but Windows and to tell you the truth it has been a long time since I have had Windows (v7 in particular crash).

The OS is simply a tool to run the aps you need to get a job done. If it isn't crashing I'm good to go. It doesn't seem to be the issue it did in the past.

That said, competition is always a good thing to keep the OS builders on their toes. I have no problems with Linux - I have messed around with it, but to get the job done in this industry, it is Windows.

[jonr]

I run Linux with Windows running under VMWare. The best of both worlds. Both are stable for me.

[brosen]

I run Linux, and then Windows XP under VMware on Linux. Everything works good. Linux does have limitations, mainly in the available software applications. On the other hand, Windows XP seems to cooperate better with VMware's "virtual" hardware that it does when installed directly onto real hardware.

[masalai]

I use the 64 bit "main edition" of linux mint on my 3 machines to be installed on-board soon, as the painting, inside and out on my build, will be the second weekend of September, and shortly thereafter she will be pulled out of the shed and presented to all on the turf outside where I will finish fitout...

Linux Mint can be downloaded here http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php

Mint has matured over the years and is now a breeze to install - Plug everything in, and switch on... Make sure you have broadband available to download the updates and special drivers (will do this semi automatically) then commence the installation process... I use a HP color Laserjet CP1215, and download their driver... Everything works a treat.... NO VIRUS woes, GOOD and easily configured firewall, plays videos from everywhere (a necessity if International cruising) and 2 big LCD screens make all tasks a breeze.... I have set the system to give me 3 more 3360 x 1080 screens that I can flick to with ease... Comes with "wine" if I ever need to run a Windows application?... I am MORE secure than Windows will ever be and can easily install encryption to defy the eyes of the best hackers or CIA/FBI or whoever if need be?...

[Boston]

Mac ..............

[Brian@BNE]

I'm into 4th month with MAC, but also have Windows 7 installed. For heavy apps I'll boot up in W7. Otherwise boot up in MAC and use either W7 or XP (both installed via VMware Fusion) for short Windows-only stuff without needing to shut down MAC. Just set up hardware with a lot of RAM and this is all a breeze.

Yes, Windows versions of apps are more feature rich than the MAC versions. But everything Windows became bloated and slow. I don't miss it at all.