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Old 07-19-2009, 04:13 PM
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Well, there we have it!
Making some effort to express myself and providing some basic tutorial for the first steps in Freeship I occasionally found it already done in a very nice and professional manner!
Although I do´nt like the idea that this enables you to copy (steal) others designs, it is the best first step tutorial I have seen by so far.
To make the story short, I´ll just post the .pdf files I´ve found on the Delftship side.
See attachments.

Further comments and contributions welcome!
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File Type: pdf Tutorial01.pdf (2.99 MB, 7522 views)
File Type: pdf tutorial02.pdf (140.3 KB, 3571 views)
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:31 AM
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Great effort Richard, well done
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Old 08-30-2009, 09:40 AM
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Great effort Richard, well done
I concur Mike but it is a bit sad that no one else did add his knowledge here.
I have learned a lot, thank you Richard!

Sasha
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Old 08-30-2009, 09:52 AM
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Sterling efforts Richard.

It is all beyond me...but i can see plenty of effort and great advice for others using the same software.
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Old 10-10-2009, 10:37 AM
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Hi all, hi apex. This is my first message on this board. I am hoping to learn a lot from this new experience.

The boat i want to build is the merry maid (hence, my nickname).

The boat plans i have gotten to can be found here, freely.

http://www.svensons.com/boat/?p=Mech...ated/MerryMaid

Thanks for the info up till now, all.

cheers,
merrymaid

Last edited by merry maid : 10-10-2009 at 10:40 AM. Reason: found the answer
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Old 10-16-2009, 06:22 AM
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Designing your own boat.........

A step by step guide for the interested amateur , beginner, novice, and absolute *****.

If you follow the step by step guide in a severe manner you should be able to design your own boat in a weekends time.

First step:
Have a computer at hand, most software related issues are better to handle if a computer is at hand.
Second step:
Pay the hefty penalty for having “Internet” acces. The Internet is a sort of worldwide acting bacteria eating preferrably time and or money. In our case both!
Third step:
Download (a “Internet” related term, you must not understand) the software “Carlson hull” from:

http://www.carlsondesign.com/#Fun_Shareware

do not worry, it is neither FUN nor have you to share anything……and what could YOU share?

go to: http://freeship-plus.hotmail.ru/FreeShip3_04+update.rar

download (now you know already how it goes) the program.

Install both of the programs in a directory that is convenient to find. So, Carlson should not be placed betweeen all your porn related “C+xxx” files!

Click the “hull.exe” file, a miracle appears, someone has made a boat shape on your screen!
That’s Ok for now, you must not fear that!

Now the intellectual part of the game starts; you have to find the “help file” and to follow strictly the advice given!
Imagine the shape of your dream boat first (hard, I know, better to digest some given opinion), then scroll through the many possible designs included in that incredible software. Choose the one that fits your rough imagination best.
Play with it (you remember the instructions?), do not save it! You will overwrite the original file (design). And who are You to overwrite others serious efforts?
Now you have a shape that fits your demand! Congrat´s. Just leave the program, your recent drawing will be saved as “default.hul”

Change to “freeship” and “import” the file you created.
Tataaa, there it appears as if it was made by a “PRO”

Do´nt play too much with it, you may destroy the nice shape, but you “must” click the “project linesplan” button, then print it !!!
Go to see your local sailing “champions” they haven´t seen such nice and professional drawings before!
So, after the most obvious pressure is released, we can focus on the boat design…

In the next lesson we will design your boat! Promised!



For sure I will guide you through all the necessary steps to achieve the impossible….

to be continued.................................

Regards
Richard

This is so good, well said Richard and so funny.
Cheers
Daniel
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Old 10-29-2009, 05:59 PM
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Thank you all for your comments, contribution, complications, contradiction!

Now after almost 4500 hits, I think it´s time to tell you the naked truth.


First,
you cannot design your own boat! That was a barefaced lie!

To design a boat you would have to know about hydrostatics, hydrodynamics and a lot of other stuff, both you and me are too dumb to spell.
The fact that you clicked this thread is more than sufficient proof, you have no clue.

This software (as every other such program) is a good tool in the hands of a qualified Naval Architect or ship / boat Designer. It does not replace his knowledge and skills!
Though we have been able to make nice pictures, we could produce a hell of a lot of technical data, that all means nothing. It is what it is: GIGO
Garbage In Garbage Out

In some cases it CAN be helpful to understand some technical issues easier, because we can see the influence of any change in no time.
It CAN help drawing a preliminary hull shape, to show our NA what we have in mind.
Maybe even a simple little boat for the next pond can be drawn, by using a proven existing design as basis.
But that was it for the amateur.................sorry.

Second,
when I started this thread, I had less than 3 hours of own, practical experience with this software.
In fact I learned more from my own tutorial, than I was able to manage before. And the obligation to go further, pushed me a lot, thanks!

It was nice to notice that some members really learned something. So, the effort was worth it.
It was a bit a pity that other members, 20 times more experienced than I was, did not chime in, to add their skills.
Ashes on your skalp! Lewis, daiquiri, to name just two. Though Lewis started to add....

Anyway, the thread is´nt closed, so it may happen that the better qualified add what should be found here, to make the bold headline sensible.

Thanks, you´ve been a nice audience, and forgive the little swindle.

Regards
Richard

Last edited by apex1 : 10-30-2009 at 08:50 AM. Reason: little addition
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:28 PM
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Apex1(Richard)

As always, an engaging read.
Knowing ones own limitations and exposing them to the world in searching for answers, is the sign of a true professional, as well as humility. You wont get any button pusher on here being as open and honest as you have been....because they fear ridicule and being questioned on things they clearly know nothing about, save for cut and pasting words from websites...when all they covet is praise!!

Well done, keep it up....

PS..getting more spineless hitting again, another gem "..Same old ridicule.."
Just same old anonymous pathetic weak nonsense from immature children. It is simply QED my statement above that irked them, they don't like being questioned owing to their ignorance and arrogance. Simply spineless and pathetic..!!!!

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Old 10-29-2009, 10:06 PM
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:22 PM
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No, don't skip it, i don't think you got stuffed, just misunderstood some comments (thats my 2c worth).
Earlier you said:
If you want to do designing....be prepared for the long haul and a chunk of change and time devoted to learning what you don't think you need. I think software is very good to help you with what you want but there is a need for a solid background of principals to lend credence to what is possible with the software. It is just as easy to design a deathtrap as a lifeboat without a base of knowledge to draw on. PAR has more than once told me that "pretty pictures" aren't boats and I think it has finally sunk in..."

That's pretty much the same conclusion as Richard's above.

What you ahve done yourself, and Richard too is to be commended. Not because of what you have achieved, but, because you realise that there is so much more to it, then pushing buttons, and not afraid to say so! However, Richard has pushed some very good buttons on getting thus far...very impressive for all to see.
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Old 10-30-2009, 01:02 AM
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There are a lot of useful and intelligent guys on this forum.
I just dont like so much of the Caustic.
It wrecks the program for me.
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Old 10-30-2009, 06:42 AM
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you cannot design your own boat! That was a barefaced lie!
Dammit Richard, I was going to give you points for this thread. Now it looks like I'll have to take some AWAY from you

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To design a boat you would have to know about hydrostatics, hydrodynamics and a lot of other stuff, both you and me are too dumb to spell.
The fact that you clicked this thread is more than sufficient proof, you have no clue.
I thought this is what you were going to do - teach us about it ! This is the 'Design' forums for boats, you know.

Suspected truth is it got a bit overwhelming didn't it

Well, regarding your last post you are half right. I suspect half the ****** would jump in, draw a 'thing' and never research any of it to make a decent boat. The other half however is where you could make a difference - they will actually make something decent from it.

So it looks like you only need to help every second guy that reads this thread , seems easy enough

*Sigh*
You are however right. Most think a boat is a simple thing (which it is) that is going to be cheap, easy to build and sport better performance than anyone before... like you indicated in an earlier post, a weekend to figger the software, a couple of days to do the design and maybe a week say two to build the darn thing and WHALA !!!! the multi million sleek yacht sits in the back yard

and *PHEW*... I was actually thinking you were serious in the first few threads
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Old 10-30-2009, 09:56 AM
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You are a real Bastard Richard, but the most honest and the most professional one I know.
When I think, I was sometimes ahead of my tutor maybe? A good joke, a real good one. Thank you.

Lewisboat, there was no attack against you, so I understand it. See the sarcasm between the lines! He likes your part in the thread.

Fanie, I would give him the points, but i did allready on this thresd, and if just for the extraordinary backbone.

Greetings from Sevastopol
Sasha
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:31 AM
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Merde
Merde? Why?

Hi Sasha, good day, hows life in Sabastopol

I have to be a little pretentius so I will greet you in the idiom of our friend Lewisboats

Mes amis je vous souhaite une brillante journee pleine de bonheur et d'amour

Snooty

Cheers (In Russian I am lost)
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:37 AM
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Для вас слишком

For you too, mon ami!
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