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 Leo Lazauskas 02-20-2012 02:09 AM

P2D: A Simple 2D Planing Program

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P2D: A Simple 2D-Planing Program

The attached (Windows) program produces some accurate solutions
of the 2D planing equation based on the work of E.O. Tuck.

The attached pdf manual has instructions for installing and running
the program.

After a bit more work, and when time permits, I will upload a version
for cambered plates, and some "splashless" geometries.

IMPORTANT!
P2D will not be of any use whatsoever to those wanting a method for
predicting the performance of real planing vessels. Other methods,
such as those of Savitsky, will be more useful.

The 3D problem is much more difficult than our simple case!
Those interested in the fully 3D planing problem should refer to
recent papers and those cited in their bibliographies.
A good start is:
Taravella, Brandon M. and Vorus, William S.,
"A general solution to low-aspect-ratio flat-ship theory"
Journal of Engineering Mathematics,
No. 71, pp. 171-184, 2011.

Finally, many thanks to boatdesign.net for providing a forum where
such esoteric hydrodynamic oddities can be shared and discussed.

Leo.

 daiquiri 02-20-2012 02:56 AM

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 Originally Posted by Leo Lazauskas (Post 531747) P2D will not be of any use whatsoever to those wanting a method for predicting the performance of real planing vessels. Other methods, such as those of Savitsky, will be more useful.
I think it is a very good educational tool, for those who want to understand qualitatively, on a simplest example of a flat plate, what happens under and behind a planing vessel's hull, why it happens and a variation of pressures, wave elevations, trim and squat over a range of speeds.
Thanks for this one, Leo. :)

 Leo Lazauskas 03-27-2012 05:37 PM

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 Originally Posted by daiquiri (Post 531756) I think it is a very good educational tool, for those who want to understand qualitatively, on a simplest example of a flat plate, what happens under and behind a planing vessel's hull, why it happens and a variation of pressures, wave elevations, trim and squat over a range of speeds. Thanks for this one, Leo. :)
Thanks, Slavi.
One area of recent application is the drag of the bow seal of Surface Effect
Ships (SES). Some researchers (e.g. L.J. Doctors) are using 2D planing
theory in an attempt to explain some components of the drag.

It is a very tough problem and there is a lot more to do in both theory and
experiments. The US Navy is conducting some intensive experiments at a
very large facility. There is an interesting article describing the tests in the
Jan. 2012 edition of "Marine Technology".

 CWTeebs 03-28-2012 11:05 AM

What page? I'm searching the digital edition of MT but can't find it Leo.

- CWTeebs

 Leo Lazauskas 03-28-2012 11:20 AM

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 Originally Posted by CWTeebs (Post 542295) What page? I'm searching the digital edition of MT but can't find it Leo. - CWTeebs
The article is called:
"Testing on a Large Scale",
Pages 46-48.

 CWTeebs 04-05-2012 04:15 PM

Part of the analyses I did for validating POWERSEA involved looking at pressure distributions from various NACA airfoil experiments.

There's a paper by Royce, including full scale planing hull experimental pressure distributions (e.g. to identify chine wet/chine dry transition), that describes the 2d impact theory under the guise of zarnick.

 CWTeebs 04-08-2012 08:55 AM

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Hi Mr. Lazauskas,

You are probably already aware of this, but for others who aren't I found a program called JavaFOIL on CAELinux (Ubuntu 10.04 core) that might be useful with P2D.

 CWTeebs 04-08-2012 08:59 AM

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Another screenie with the flowfield done in JavaFOIL. Another program that does airfoil techniques is XFOIL which I believe came out of MIT.

 DCockey 04-08-2012 12:20 PM

Could someone explain the relevance of the analysis of airfoils immersed in an "infinite" fluid to a body planing on a free surface?

 CatBuilder 04-08-2012 12:42 PM

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 Originally Posted by DCockey (Post 544870) Could someone explain the relevance of the analysis of airfoils immersed in an "infinite" fluid to a body planing on a free surface?
Would this not be accurate for submerged foils such as rudders and dagger boards on a displacement craft?

Is planing a requirement for the discussion?

 DCockey 04-08-2012 12:58 PM

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 Originally Posted by CatBuilder (Post 544873) Would this not be accurate for submerged foils such as rudders and dagger boards on a displacement craft?
JavaFoil would be suitable for the limited cases where a 2-dimensional analysis is valid.

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 Is planing a requirement for the discussion?
The title of this thread is P2D: A Simple 2D Planing Program.

My question, "Could someone explain the relevance of the analysis of airfoils immersed in an "infinite" fluid to a body planing on a free surface?" was not rhetorical. CWTeeb has brought up the flow and pressure distribution around airfoils as relevent to planing analyisis. POWERSEA which he mentions is a planing analysis code. I'm interested in understanding the relevance.

A discussion on the relevance of 2-D airfoil analysis software to rudders and centerboards would be better in it's own thread, not one on planing models.

 CatBuilder 04-08-2012 01:18 PM

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 Originally Posted by DCockey (Post 544877) The title of this thread is P2D: A Simple 2D Planing Program. A discussion on the relevance of 2-D airfoil analysis software to rudders and centerboards would be better in it's own thread, not one on planing models.
Of course, you are correct. How I managed to lose track of the title of the thread is a window into in a lazy Sunday mind. :D

 CWTeebs 04-08-2012 02:14 PM

Quote:
 POWERSEA which he mentions is a planing analysis code. I'm interested in understanding the relevance.
One of the force components POWERSEA resolves is circulation lift calculated using a heavily customized panel method. JavaFOIL is a simple panel method that could be used to integrate the concepts of longitudinal pressure distributions, and, when compared to P2D the idea of the free surface condition can be fully understood for the 2D case. I didn't think it was off topic at all, quite the contrary, I found the connections somewhat obvious. That said, I won't be offended if the links to JavaFOIL are removed from the thread, in which case I would apologize for having erroneously posted them in the first place.

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