Michlet/Godzilla availability

[KalleA]

Hello,

I've tried to get hold of Michlet/Godzilla, but it is no longer available for download on the cyberiad site.

1. Does anyone know if the information on the cyberiad site about an upcoming new version 9.01 is current and correct?

2. Would it be illegal / improper / impossible to get hold of a copy? I understand it is/was freeware?

Cheers

There was not a overly enthusiastic reaction to bemoan here.
Now I have nearly the same question:

where to get Michlet?

Regards
Richard

Me too, please!

Sasha

[csarmvs]

I found this a couple weeks ago, works fine, is the older version 8.07 but is a very good one, I hope Leo don't get mad
cesar

[Leo Lazauskas]

Originally Posted by csarmvs

I found this a couple weeks ago, works fine, is the older version 8.07 but is a very good one, I hope Leo don't get mad
cesar

The US Navy and the Australian Navy paid for that software and others based on it and you just want it for free?

Oh, Ok, but only if you don't use it for real boats or anything that might upset naval architects

Have fun!
Leo.

Originally Posted by Leo Lazauskas

Oh, Ok, but only if you don't use it for real boats or anything that might upset naval architects

Have fun!
Leo.

Thanks Leo...
I will use it for real boats (one at least), but I will not tell the audience that I have found the holy grail, and I will not claim to be Mr. almighty like ähhh, anyway I´ll use it for my purpose only. promised....

Regards
Richard

[csarmvs]

Originally Posted by Leo Lazauskas

The US Navy and the Australian Navy paid for that software and others based on it and you just want it for free?

Oh, Ok, but only if you don't use it for real boats or anything that might upset naval architects

Have fun!
Leo.

haha thanks Leo, and really michlet is a great program!
regards
cesar

Originally Posted by csarmvs

haha thanks Leo, and really michlet is a great program!
regards
cesar

In the hands of the experienced, you have forgotten to mention.

[csarmvs]

Originally Posted by apex1

In the hands of the experienced, you have forgotten to mention.

my english should be very bad .. .. but I don't get it
what I forgot?
cesar confused

Originally Posted by csarmvs

my english should be very bad .. .. but I don't get it
what I forgot?
cesar confused

Well Cesar, there are some people around (even here) believing that a software like this can in itself provide sufficient information to build a boat to the given spec.s. But without a deep understanding of the programmes abilities and limitations and a serious background in naval architecture the results are just another tool in the best case, a danger in the worst. This thread may give you a deeper insight:
theoretical displacement hull shape for min drag
and it is a perfect example how some people totally overestimate what they can achieve using such tool, but in the same context do not understand what they do´nt understand. And some of them are spilling theyr "knowledge" around as if it was a fact, cast in iron.

Regards
Richard

[csarmvs]

Originally Posted by apex1

Well Cesar, there are some people around (even here) believing that a software like this can in itself provide sufficient information to build a boat to the given spec.s. But without a deep understanding of the programmes abilities and limitations and a serious background in naval architecture the results are just another tool in the best case, a danger in the worst. This thread may give you a deeper insight:
theoretical displacement hull shape for min drag
and it is a perfect example how some people totally overestimate what they can achieve using such tool, but in the same context do not understand what they do´nt understand. And some of them are spilling theyr "knowledge" around as if it was a fact, cast in iron.

Regards
Richard

ok, thanks for explain this, I now understand, and like here in this forum, in Peru, where I live, We fight against this "computer's naval architects" whos thinks that knowing some programs can really understand how to design and even build some vessels, and they don't know why We put some things or make some changes, them don't move from the program's examples
I think that programs can help a lot but if you don't have the theorical background, you are just a empirical, a fortune-teller, sometimes get lucky but never will be the best

[Leo Lazauskas]

Michlet has been used in some very unusual research and I'm not sure
that I agree with its use in all cases.

Maybe (Naval Architect?) Volker Bertram didn't have much else that he
could use when he and some colleagues wrote:
"Empirical Study on the Effect of Hydrofoils in a Hydrofoil-Assisted Trimaran"
http://academic.amc.edu.au/~psahoo/R...I)/Print-4.doc

The "measured" performance of concrete canoes is also probably not the
best verification of Michlet's capabilities, especially when the
built hull is shorter than the design used as input to Michet:
http://www.engr.wisc.edu/studentorgs...7%20-%20UW.pdf

Here's a very unusual wave-making application that might be stretching
Michlet's capabilities a bit!
Liquid Time
http://www.sypaq.com.au/main/Sypaq%2...uid%20Time.pdf

These dudes claim that Michlet predictions of EHP were within 2% for
a 90ft high-speed catamaran, but with no graphs to support the claim:
http://www.geoshipyard.com/portfolio.asp?ID=7

The agreement with experiments shown on p. 36 of this paper seem
pretty good but, not knowing Portuguese, the guy might be saying it's
all crap.
https://dspace.ist.utl.pt/bitstream/.../1/FD_2007.pdf
Can anyone here translate what he said about its capabilities?
I tried to translate it, but all I got was that Michlet was good
"to craunch a marmoset". :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_As_She_Is_Spoke

All the best,
Leo.

[Leo Lazauskas]

Originally Posted by apex1

Well Cesar, there are some people around (even here) believing that a software like this can in itself provide sufficient information to build a boat to the given spec.s. But without a deep understanding of the programmes abilities and limitations and a serious background in naval architecture...

Engineering is not enough because, according to Prof. Georg Weinblum, "The theory of ships is too difficult for engineers."

The quote comes from an interesting historical look at ship hydro by Prof. Ada Gotman of U. Novosibirsk.
"Navigating the Wake of Past Efforts"

http://www.journalofoceantechnology....&vol=2&issue=1

Leo.

Originally Posted by Leo Lazauskas

Engineering is not enough because, according to Prof. Georg Weinblum, "The theory of ships is too difficult for engineers."

The quote comes from an interesting historical look at ship hydro by Prof. Ada Gotman of U. Novosibirsk.
"Navigating the Wake of Past Efforts"

http://www.journalofoceantechnology....&vol=2&issue=1

Leo.

You´re right Leo, there was once a quote here that roughly said: "now its time to kill the engineers and get it built" I did agree with that.

And I´m very happy to add to my knowledge base that Michlet also is good "to craunch a marmoset", just in case..............

Regards
Richard

[csarmvs]

Originally Posted by
These dudes claim that Michlet predictions of EHP were within 2% for
a 90ft high-speed catamaran, but with no graphs to support the claim:
[url

http://www.geoshipyard.com/portfolio.asp?ID=7[/url]

The agreement with experiments shown on p. 36 of this paper seem
pretty good but, not knowing Portuguese, the guy might be saying it's
all crap.
https://dspace.ist.utl.pt/bitstream/.../1/FD_2007.pdf
Can anyone here translate what he said about its capabilities?
I tried to translate it, but all I got was that Michlet was good
"to craunch a marmoset". :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_As_She_Is_Spoke

All the best,
Leo.

I take the liberty of translate the pag 36
here is, I don't speak very well portugues but I think is good enough
regards
cesar