Recreational Craft Directive

[fastwave]

Hello guys.
I am surprised there is not thread on the subject. Anyway,
my understanding is that the manufacturer of a boat can certify the boat himself if he provides the correct paperwork. This is only for cat A.

If the boat requires a stability test he must notify the notified authority to perform it, or can any Naval architect be used?

Is that correct?

thank you

[terhohalme]

Categories are: A for ocean, B for offshore, C for inshore and D for sheltered waters. Manufacturer can certify the boat himself only in categores D (LH = 2.5 - 24 m) and C (LH = 2.5 - 12 m). In other cases a Notified Body is needed.

This clarifies the most: http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/marit...2_94_25_en.pdf

[Raggi_Thor]

I think that's one reason for so many boats beeing classified as cat C
btw,
I found IMCI better suited for small projects than DNV.
What others Notified Bodies are good for small boats?

[Pericles]

http://www.ceproof.com/Marine/marinehome.htm in the UK.

Pericles

[TeddyDiver]

How it's possible a certain boat being rejected by one, and approved by another NB. They are supposed to follow the same directive
We had a long thread about the subject in one of the local forums here in Finland but without a conclusion.

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by Raggi_Thor

What others Notified Bodies are good for small boats?

RINAVE (The portuguese subsidiary of BV). We are surveyors for them.

Cheers.

[Guillermo]

Originally Posted by TeddyDiver

How it's possible a certain boat being rejected by one, and approved by another NB. They are supposed to follow the same directive

ISO norms are not 100% interpretation free and some aspects of them may even lead to confusion. Anyhow it's surprising to find out there some boats classified for impossible categories (in my opinion), as a 5 m rib for Category B, as an example.

Cheers.

[Dutch Peter]

Originally Posted by terhohalme

Categories are: A for ocean, B for offshore, C for inshore and D for sheltered waters. Manufacturer can certify the boat himself only in categores D (LH = 2.5 - 24 m) and C (LH = 2.5 - 12 m). In other cases a Notified Body is needed.

This clarifies the most: http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/marit...2_94_25_en.pdf

Provided they use the harmonised standard for stability, otherwise they still need a NoBo!

[User_U]

German lloyd ("Germanischer Lloyd") where we are cooperating since years for dozens of projects - very effective and more professional than the IMCI-guys

[lazeyjack]

Originally Posted by Guillermo

ISO norms are not 100% interpretation free and some aspects of them may even lead to confusion. Anyhow it's surprising to find out there some boats classified for impossible categories (in my opinion), as a 5 m rib for Category B, as an example.

Cheers.

good Morning G!!
I am trying to find this ISO copy for our class b

if I summitted the structure to you could you put it through your programme, as a job of coarse
It is difficult to know where to start
Say if the structure was compliant RINA Lloyds, would that satisfy the body concerned? this is the bottom, 8mm, 8mm topsides, 6pl girdar, 6pl floors, 8pl box keel, 10 pl keel sole,16 pl stem, 6 plate breast hooks, did we do good job?
oh 14.6,x 3.8 x 16000kg, the houses are ply, glassed over, I have an idea about Tr when is best time call?

[Guillermo]

Hi Stu!
I'm sailing around the south galician rias with some of my children, in a short vacation time, so I'm not at the office.

I'm not sure about your question. If the structure complies with a Classification Society rule, then it should have no problem under the CE directive. As a matter of fact I have not been using ISO 12215 for the scantling of recreational boats, but Det Norske Veritas and the like.

If you are interested in getting ISO 12215 norms for steel or aluminium (you'll need parts 3,4,5 and 6), you may find them at the ISO web pages.

http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue...csnumber=25270

Parts 7, 8 and 9 are still under discussion.

I'll be happy to review your scantlings at the office, but it will be only in september, as next week I have to travel abroad for job reasons and then come back again into sailing with family. If you're not in a hurry, send me a message to g<dot>gefaell<at>gestenaval<dot>com and I'll review the thing after august the 25th.

Have a look at these my own paradise's images, taken yesterday.

Cheers.

[lazeyjack]

i need talk on more personal things. do you have cell?

[Knut Sand]

Originally Posted by Guillermo

Have a look at these my own paradise's images, taken yesterday.
Cheers.

Aaarrrgggghhhhh!!!!
Not nice, not nice at all...

I'm "back", "working", It'll probably rain today, rained yesterday, temperature around 15-17 °C, summers passed...

Ok, still, have a nice vacation....

[Guillermo]

Thanks, Knut. Taske easy your coming back to work....

Stu, I'll PM you.

Cheers.