RCD Ce proof

[whoosh]

thank for long reply
i see no point is airing what I have in corrospondence here
So will sen to you email
But yes they have only just begun, they will produce 130 page tech manual, dont worry me boy I am not---yet
there is a long list of client, if you care to look
best rgds
Stu\I had to delete many posts because there have been some serious accusations

[apex1]

Originally Posted by whoosh

yes in my years research I do know they are skilled, although, I would have had to train in alu

I laugh my belly loose Stuart!
YOU have to train the Turkish yards in Alu? ......YOU?....
One could easily come to another conclusion reading this:..metal frame detail

Do you know where Perini Navi builds his Al hulls? (and the complete Maltese Falcon)
Have you ever heard about Proteksan, Ada Yacht, RMK, Dünya, Günay, Turquoise, to name a few.
You have never been in Tuzla, the largest boatbuilding area in the world, with about 100 yards and another 150 boatshops.
You do´nt even know how a CE certification does function, but you tell the people about Al building, ja, ja......................

You are a Welder Stuart Hearn (maybe a good one, maybe not), thats a good job and there is nothing wrong with it, but you are for sure not a boatbuilder, nor are you qualified enough to teach professionals in welding! You are not even qualified to weld to IACS class!
That is the naked truth.
Richard

[dskira]

Originally Posted by Guillermo

Stu,
If they are appointed they should be a Notified Body, which they don't seem to be, as they do not appear in the list of such entities (See: http://www.icomia.com/technical-info...t.asp?TI_ID=8). Please ask them to clarify this you. They should have a Notified Body number (The one that appears in the list under the name of the entity).

If they are not in fact a NB and they have not forwarded your boat's plans for approval to an appointed Notified Body, then they are just acting as a consultancy engineering firm (precisely what they say they are in their web site), but you have not got an official approval, I'm afraid.

Anyway, even if you have not a NB approval you still can build the boat under the CE rules, of course, but doing so under the "A" module, internal control of production. This implies the builder is the only one who certifies the boat fulfills all RCD requirements. So you, as the builder, are the full and only responsible for all aspects of construction before the authorities, including stability.

Under the CE regulations when you sell a boat to a customer, you have to provide him with an Owner's Manual written following EN ISO 10240: 1995, a Warranty document and a Certificate of Compliance issued by yourself as builder. In such Certificate of Compliance you must state what RCD module has been used to built the boat. Also, if a NB has performed whatever assessment, you must state which one and its CE number.

Now, a bigger than 12m boat (which is your case) built under module A can only reach Category Design D (see the RSG Guidelines, section G, "Conformity Assessment Modules") so only allowed to sail in sheltered waters (waves up to 0,5 m, and force 4 wind). If you sell such a boat in Spain, authorities (who will look at the Certificate of Compliance) will register it as only able to do that, limiting the allowed sailing waters to rivers, small lakes, canals, harbours and the like. You could not legally sail such a boat even inside the Galician Rias!

You shall mandatorily display such Category D in the builder's plate.

Be careful.

Thank you Guillermo for the clarity of your explainations.
Very usefull.
Cheers
Daniel

[Guillermo]

You're welcome, Daniel.
Glad to be of help.
Anytime.

Cheers.