Where can I get ISOs

[MarkV]

Hello all, I'm new to this boat design idea. I have signed up with YDS to give my thinking some direction and I want to read up more about the RDS and supporting ISOs. Has anyone got any idea where I can get them without selling my children. I tried the local library but the combination of the letters I, S and O was compleetly new to them!

[gamage]

Originally Posted by MarkV

Hello all, I'm new to this boat design idea. I have signed up with YDS to give my thinking some direction and I want to read up more about the RDS and supporting ISOs. Has anyone got any idea where I can get them without selling my children. I tried the local library but the combination of the letters I, S and O was compleetly new to them!

try this link

http://www.iso.org/iso/en/xsite/cont...ion/steps.html

[Ike]

If you look on my web site at Ike's List you'll find the links you are looking for .
Http://newboatbuilders.com/pages/links.html

[Crag Cay]

I guess the crux of your question was "without selling my children."

Well I'm sorry, but it's time to kiss them goodbye. I believe the prices you'll get for them in Exchange and Mart are generally better then Ebay.

http://www.iso.org/iso/en/CatalogueL...S3=&scopelist=

That is the ISO shopping baskey with their outrageous prices. I would try the library again, giving them the full numbers and titles.

Perhaps you could also try getting them through your MP under the freedom of information act. You could also ask him/her if they think that having to send huge amounts of money to Switzerland in order to see the details of laws that they in the UK Paliment have inflicted on us, is really a fine example of open government. I hope your MP has a better answer than mine did.

There are various bodies (like Classification Societies) that offer the Standards at discount if you join them and pay an annual subsciption, but of course, the discount is not more than the fees, unless you plan to buy the whole lot.

Hopefully some bold and courageous person will make a stand for democracy and publish them on the internet. But it won't be me. Being neither bold nor courageous.

[Crag Cay]

At lunch time I went into the local reference library where they said it was normal for UK libraries to have a subscription to the British Standards Website, so I tried accessing it through their computer.

Because BS standards are the same as ISO (EN) you put in the ISO code and a .pdf appears. By the terms of their licensing agreement you can print off (10p a page) 10% of each one, which because of the amount of introductions, contexts, references, background info, etc, actually represents quite a significant amount of the useful material in each standard! (I guess if two of you have library cards, that's 20%, and two visits equals 40, etc?)

Have a look at 12215-4 if you want to see why you should never buy these standards sight unseen. 'Workshop conditions should exceed the minimum standards required by the material manufacturers'. And that piercing insight would have cost you fifty quid.

[PI Design]

Admittedly they are not always relevant, or very good, but UK MoD Defence Standards are free. Unclassified DefStans are downloadable as pdf's from dstan.mod.uk You'll be amazed what they cover (but nothing on the RCD obviously)!

Students often have free access to British Standards. Find a friendly one to order them for you. Most will do anything for a free drink...

It does seem absurd that you have to pay for documents that contain legislation you are required to adhere to.

[Vega]

Originally Posted by Crag Cay

Perhaps you could also try getting them through your MP under the freedom of information act. You could also ask him/her if they think that having to send huge amounts of money to Switzerland in order to see the details of laws that they in the UK Paliment have inflicted on us, is really a fine example of open government. ....

Hopefully some bold and courageous person will make a stand for democracy and publish them on the internet. But it won't be me. Being neither bold nor courageous.

Not only in England but all over European Community. What kind of democracy do we want if we have to pay huge amounts of money to have aces to information that should be open and available to everyone.

[Crag Cay]

What kind of democracy do we want if we have to pay huge amounts of money to have acces to information that should be open and available to everyone.

Absolutley right Paulo!

It's also so inconsistent. As PI says DefStans are available for free, as are the MCA Small Vessel in Commercial Use Codes that replace the old Red / Blue / Yellow and Brown Books and the EA Codes for Inland Waterways (Pleasure and Commercial).

I accept, that if you want the ISO information in a nice printed book form, a contribution to the cost is justified, but to have the .pdf download price set at the same level, I find unexceptable. It's not as if it's a nominal fee either.

[fcfc]

The only way to get a decent price is thru an organization.

For french reading, you can buy them there : http://www.fin.fr/achat.asp?rubppal=...d=79&langue=gb

The price for all the set of rules, for non members, is around the price the ISO sells the 3 12217-x pdf files only. But the french only limitation has probably something to do with licensing.

[MarkV]

A big thank you to all who replied, When I pushed the library a bit they said that if I travelled to London and took with 2 forms of ID I could join the British library, where upon I could "View" the standards on line on one of their computers. This seems reminiscent of the troubles of Arthur Dent in Hitchhikers’ Guide to the Galaxy. Oh well...