Boat Design Forums  |  Boat Design Directory  |  Boat Design Gallery  |  Boat Design Book Store  |  Thanks to Our Site Sponsors

Go Back   Boat Design Forums > Design > Boat Design
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-03-2010, 03:34 PM
kach22i's Avatar
kach22i kach22i is offline
Architect
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Rep: 1067 Posts: 2,299
Location: Michigan
What do these strakes do?

http://www.portierramaryaire.com/for...&sd=a&start=45








Aren't they going in the wrong direction?
__________________
George: Architect (land lover type)
Hovercraft & Vintage Porsche Owner
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boa...ect-11973.html
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-03-2010, 03:39 PM
kach22i's Avatar
kach22i kach22i is offline
Architect
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Rep: 1067 Posts: 2,299
Location: Michigan
Are these also strakes? Or are neither set strakes?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...-Country/page4


http://www.portierramaryaire.com/for...&sd=a&start=30


http://www.duramax-international.com/Recent.asp
__________________
George: Architect (land lover type)
Hovercraft & Vintage Porsche Owner
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boa...ect-11973.html
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-03-2010, 03:56 PM
kach22i's Avatar
kach22i kach22i is offline
Architect
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Rep: 1067 Posts: 2,299
Location: Michigan
And what the heck are these?

http://www.duramax-international.com/Recent.asp







Some sort of thruster?

Which part of the waterjet is this?
http://www.duramax-international.com/Recent.asp
__________________
George: Architect (land lover type)
Hovercraft & Vintage Porsche Owner
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boa...ect-11973.html
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-03-2010, 04:01 PM
Tiny Turnip Tiny Turnip is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Rep: 536 Posts: 256
Location: Huddersfield, UK
Last ones look like heat exchangers, but no idea on the strakes...
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-03-2010, 04:51 PM
baeckmo baeckmo is offline
Hydrodynamics
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Rep: 962 Posts: 631
Location: Sweden
Those strakes are probably there to protect the hull in areas susceptible to damage from bumping into jetties or tied along other vessels. You find similar on trawlers, in the area where the fishing gear comes in. Also on a diversity of work boats, like service vessels, tugs et c. .

The hull openings are for what we call grid coolers. Judging from size (hard to tell though since no referrence objects) it might be for airconditioning or stand-by gensets.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-03-2010, 06:21 PM
Ol-Paint Ol-Paint is offline
 
Join Date: May 2009
Rep: 10 Posts: 4
Location: Wisconsin
Duramax makes heat exchangers, which is what is behind the grids in the sides of the vessel. The waterjet appears to be a Schottel pump jet (SPJ). The picture is of the foundation for the thruster.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrullero_Fluvial_PAF_III
http://www.schottel.de/eng/r_produkt...uebersicht.htm

Douglas
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-03-2010, 06:57 PM
kach22i's Avatar
kach22i kach22i is offline
Architect
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Rep: 1067 Posts: 2,299
Location: Michigan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ol-Paint View Post
Duramax makes heat exchangers, which is what is behind the grids in the sides of the vessel. The waterjet appears to be a Schottel pump jet (SPJ). The picture is of the foundation for the thruster.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrullero_Fluvial_PAF_III
http://www.schottel.de/eng/r_produkt...uebersicht.htm

Douglas
Nice links, from the last one:
Quote:
An impeller sucks in water from under the hull and forces it into a pump housing.The outlet nozzles are fitted in the bottom plate, making it possible for the jet to be installed in a flat-bottomed hull too.


At the risk of straying my own thread off-topic, why don't we see such pump/fan configurations on air breathers such as aircraft and hovercraft?

Doesn't air act as a fluid in most situations? As in computational fluid dynamics?
__________________
George: Architect (land lover type)
Hovercraft & Vintage Porsche Owner
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boa...ect-11973.html
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-03-2010, 06:58 PM
kach22i's Avatar
kach22i kach22i is offline
Architect
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Rep: 1067 Posts: 2,299
Location: Michigan
Quote:
Originally Posted by baeckmo View Post
Those strakes are probably there to protect the hull
That was my guess too, so unless somebody knows better lets go with that.
__________________
George: Architect (land lover type)
Hovercraft & Vintage Porsche Owner
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boa...ect-11973.html
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-03-2010, 07:29 PM
Squidly-Diddly Squidly-Diddly is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Rep: 196 Posts: 707
Location: SF bay
spray defectors that are also somehow low radar signature?

maybe they some crap they could could only get in that shape or fasten at certain points, thus not optimized water-wise.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-03-2010, 09:28 PM
Ol-Paint Ol-Paint is offline
 
Join Date: May 2009
Rep: 10 Posts: 4
Location: Wisconsin
Quote:
Originally Posted by kach22i View Post
Nice links, from the last one:



At the risk of straying my own thread off-topic, why don't we see such pump/fan configurations on air breathers such as aircraft and hovercraft?

Doesn't air act as a fluid in most situations? As in computational fluid dynamics?
Poor efficiency and a lack of the unique requirements that drive consideration of this type of thruster are why you don't see them on aircraft/hovercraft. Low efficiency means poor power/weight ratios, which make them suboptimal for application on weight critical designs (aircraft/hovercraft). The closest analog to this type of pumpjet I can think of would be the LCAC bow thrusters (puffers), but those aren't self-contained. The system is simply too inefficient to be useful in an aerial application outside of some highly specialized circumstance.

Maybe a super low profile blimp designed for storm sewer inspection or spelunking could make effective use out of this type of propulsor--that would be the kind of highly-specialized requirement needed to force adaption of this type of propulsor (and even that is questionable).

This type of thruster is usually only preferred on marine vessels where (1) azimuthing thrust is desired/required and (2) draft is limited. A side benefit is the compact installation footprint compared to a retractable thruster or inline jet thruster. Where draft is not limited, a drop-down and non-retractable azimuthing thrusters will provide higher thrust for the same engine/motor input power. Where draft is limited, but azimuthing thrust is not needed, a tunnel thruster offers a simpler (less expensive) alternative.

Douglas
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-04-2010, 08:19 AM
kach22i's Avatar
kach22i kach22i is offline
Architect
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Rep: 1067 Posts: 2,299
Location: Michigan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ol-Paint View Post
Poor efficiency and a lack of the unique requirements that drive consideration of this type of thruster are why you don't see them on aircraft/hovercraft. Low efficiency means poor power/weight ratios, which make them suboptimal for application on weight critical designs (aircraft/hovercraft).
I think that if we ever had "aircars", or hovercraft operating on dry land near brush, people and other things more often than open water we could see a reason for enclosed and compact thrusters. They might even be more quiet too.

It's always the efficiency thing, which is ironic because once you lift the hull up and operate in a medium 1/100th as dense as water (air) you can get pretty efficient.
__________________
George: Architect (land lover type)
Hovercraft & Vintage Porsche Owner
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boa...ect-11973.html
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-04-2010, 08:37 AM
apex1
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
concur in both cases.

The well IS for housing a SPJ installation (youŽll find another one on the other side of the vessel).

And the "strakes" are just reinforcements of the hull in high load areas. All Rig supply vessels (AHTS) and modern tugs sport similar structures. They could be executed on the inside of the hull, but that would interfere with the frames and stringers.

Regards
Richard
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-04-2010, 09:16 AM
kach22i's Avatar
kach22i kach22i is offline
Architect
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Rep: 1067 Posts: 2,299
Location: Michigan
Quote:
Originally Posted by apex1 View Post
And the "strakes" are just reinforcements of the hull in high load areas. All Rig supply vessels (AHTS) and modern tugs sport similar structures. They could be executed on the inside of the hull, but that would interfere with the frames and stringers.
So the strakes are dual purpose, both structural to distribute dock and other boat impacts (boarding looking for drugs) and secondly serviceable and expendable upon impact like a automobile bumper.

Correct?

I'm guessing this is one of the larger craft on the river and may indeed push drug running boats aside after capture or capsize them without use of firearms.

EDIT: Buque Nodriza translates into "Parent Ship".

Nodriza translates to; Nurse

Ship hull up against river bank/shore......................notice access door.
http://www.fotosmilitares.org/viewto...st=0&sk=t&sd=a


Inside: same link as above
http://www.fotosmilitares.org/viewto...st=0&sk=t&sd=a


I'm guessing that the diagonal ones work better than the horizontal ones considering tide height rises and different heights of ships being boarded.
http://www.fotosmilitares.org/viewto...1137&start=300
__________________
George: Architect (land lover type)
Hovercraft & Vintage Porsche Owner
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boa...ect-11973.html
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06-04-2010, 09:49 AM
kach22i's Avatar
kach22i kach22i is offline
Architect
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Rep: 1067 Posts: 2,299
Location: Michigan
Nothing new under the sun..........looks to be WWII era.
http://funkoffizier.wordpress.com/ca...allas-navales/
Attached Thumbnails
What do these strakes do?-alerta-111-departing-malta.jpg  
__________________
George: Architect (land lover type)
Hovercraft & Vintage Porsche Owner
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boa...ect-11973.html
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 06-04-2010, 09:58 AM
daiquiri's Avatar
daiquiri daiquiri is online now
Engineering and Design
 
Join Date: May 2004
Rep: 2574 Posts: 2,731
Location: Italy (Garda Lake) and Croatia (Istria)
I didn't know that river patrol boats need to be of low radar signature type. Thought that mountains, hills and trees are enough to hide them during operations.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Help for strakes jfblouin Boat Design 3 12-03-2005 11:19 AM
strakes ARGO Powerboats 19 07-21-2005 06:34 PM
Strakes ARGO Boat Design 1 05-15-2005 05:08 PM
strakes in maxsurf fede Software 1 04-13-2004 08:09 AM
strakes Guest Boat Design 1 11-08-2003 11:41 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:45 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Web Site Design and Content Copyright ©1999 - 2012 Boat Design Net