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Old 10-08-2005, 06:55 AM
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here is my model of sine wave propulsion.
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Old 10-08-2005, 11:34 AM
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Your right Jonathan, I am a bit of a realist on projects.
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Old 10-08-2005, 12:18 PM
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Everyone knows a big area, slow turning ---propellsor of whatever design--- is the most efficent.
Sure, but what if there are also other design requirements for the boat, like shallow draft? There are certainly circumstances that one can imagine that might better utilize a vertical axis thruster device, for example. That is what is described in Martijn's article from the Twenty-First Symposium on Naval Hydrodynamics (1997) Commission on Physical Sciences, Mathematics, and Applications. My guess is that these folks take themselves fairly seriously!!
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Old 11-01-2005, 05:54 AM
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Hi,

My god tell me that sinewave motion is not as effecient as the constant thrust propulsion. So a new perfect constant thrust propulsion is invented, you will see my new propulsion 'op 7 december tijdens het Nationaal Innovatie Evenement octrooien van TNO' in Utrecht.
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Old 11-01-2005, 06:18 AM
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I have a few questions about how this thing works. One question relates to the float of the blades. They need an angle of attack so they must not be free floating on the pivot. Yet if they maintain a fixed angle in all portions of the orbit, then they create a lot of unnecessary drag. So the question is, how is the angle of attack controlled? Is it a complex mechanism?
It's a bit similar to voith schneider propulsion, only in this case the angle of attack of the blades was continously adapted by electronics rather than mechanically if i recall correctly
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Old 11-01-2005, 06:20 AM
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Martijn, think i confused you with Emile vE or Martijn S, other crazy dutch guys
Thanks for generous comparison, but no, I'm not one of them.
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:36 AM
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Hi,

My god tell me that sinewave motion is not as effecient as the constant thrust propulsion. So a new perfect constant thrust propulsion is invented, you will see my new propulsion 'op 7 december tijdens het Nationaal Innovatie Evenement octrooien van TNO' in Utrecht.
I couldn't have paid for this...now I know what waveless means. as good old Marx said, religion is opium for the masses.

(my buddy waveless is even stealing my words. sinewave "is not as efficient as the constant thrust". I'm going to slap him with copyright laws, made in usa-aca free trade crap, so hard, he's going to discover waves)

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Old 11-02-2005, 10:17 AM
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Masrapido,

I pick up your words on the post, there is nothing copyright.

My water bike is making in china, you will see that is the most efficieny and faster water bike, it will break the speed record of rolling boat.
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Old 11-03-2005, 01:31 AM
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best of luck maestro. don't forget us when you become filthy rich, ok? come by sometime, say hello.
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Old 11-03-2005, 03:28 AM
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Apart from the inflated ego's of the main protagonists in this entertainment (got as far as page 4, and had to stop - exhausted!) the main problem I can see from a practical view point is the fact that if the whole boat is "snaking" through the water, you puts yer coffee cup down and bingo! you got coffee all over the the bloody table! Just a thought!

And Masrapido 'tis great to see that your OK buddy, there was some concern (see Open forums) that you might be swimming round the "Mexus/Texico Gulf" great to see that your not!
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Old 11-03-2005, 04:57 PM
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was only basking in the glory of the southern sun...



am trying to draw lines of a boat for leisure coastal showing off in full safety of nearby marinas in case winds get naughty.

and taking lessons in tongue control. mi chica is coaching me.

(I am bound to fail...apologies to all, especially the serious and professional ones in this forum)

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Old 11-04-2005, 01:52 AM
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String Theory, Sine Wave proulsion? Plasmoidal Induction - thickheads!



String Theory? - How long is a piece of string? No matter how long - it won't be long enough, and even if it were it'd get all tangled and you'd do ya quince and cut it all up in a temper anyway!!!

Sine Wave, Signs that wave? underwater? - it could work I guess!

Broken Symmetry - is the reason for the efficiency of the manta ray propulsion discussed.

Powering it with Plasmoidal induction will make other forms of water propulsion basically redundant, is my best guess.

You could look backk and search for the thread on plasmoidal induction proulsion, and apply it to the problem and voila - it will work.

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“Two Nobel prizes were awarded in 1957 for substantiating the process for extracting free Electromagnetic energy from the vacuum, yet not one current Electrical Engineering or Classical Electromagnetics textbook mentions it”
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Broken Symmetry
For the open-minded reader, let me explain what broken symmetry means, and what the broken symmetry of a dipole means with respect to powering any dipolar EM circuit.

The strong prediction of broken symmetry by Lee and Yang and its experimental proof by Wu et al. in 1957, initiated a great revolution across physics and won a nearly instant Nobel Prize in December 1957 for Lee and Yang.

One of the broken symmetries proven by Wu et al. and published in 1957 is the broken symmetry of opposite charges, as on the ends of a dipole.

That asymmetry is used by charges and dipoles for extracting and pouring out Electromagnetic energy from the vacuum, yet not one current Electrical Engineering or classical electromagnetics textbook mentions the energy implications of dipolar asymmetry. Nor do they mention that every charge and dipole freely pours out real observable EM energy continuously, with no observable energy input.

Thus the textbooks implicitly assume that all EM fields, potentials, and energy are freely created out of nothing at all by their associated source charges.

Either the conservation of energy law is falsified, or the source charge must be receiving the necessary energy input in virtual state form from the active vacuum.

Broken symmetry essentially means that something virtual (shadowy, but real in a special sense and widely used in physics; it has real physical consequences, since it creates all the forces of nature) has become observable (real in the ordinary everyday sense that it can be detected, measured, observed, and used.). The broken symmetry of the end charges of a dipole rigorously means that, once the charges are forcibly separated to form that dipole, the dipole (its end charges) continuously absorbs virtual (fleeting) photons from the seething vacuum, coherently integrates these "photon pieces" into real observable photons, and re-emits the resulting real EM energy in the form of real observable photons in all directions at the speed of light.

That is not this author's work; that is particle physics as justified by the award of two Nobel Prizes. It isn't even in the electrical engineering model, so no objection based on standard classical EM and electrical engineering concepts has any validity at all.

That's why a dipolar permanent magnet, with opposite magnetic charges on its ends locked in there by the material itself, continuously exhibits magnetic field in the space surrounding it (out to the ends of the universe, if the magnet has been around long enough). There is a continuous and steady stream of EM energy, extracted directly from the vacuum and integrated into observable magnetic field energy, pouring forth from the dipolarity of that magnet. At any external point in that stream, the steady flow will give a steady or "static" reading for the magnetic field and thus for the intensity of the flow at that point.

Actually there is no such thing as a "static" field or potential in the universe; simply check out Whittaker's 1903 decomposition of the "electrostatic" scalar potential into bidirectional longitudinal EM waves, and his 1904 decomposition of any field and wave pattern into two such potentials comprised of bidirectional longitudinal EM waves. The 1904 paper founded what today is known as superpotential theory. The 1903 paper has been largely ignored by the academics, although it has been formidably weaponized by several nations, notably the Russians not long after WW II. Application of Whittaker's 1903 and 1904 papers is responsible for the weapons that then Secretary of Defense Cohen referred to in 1997.


1) (a) T. D. Lee, "Question of Parity Conservation in Weak Interactions," Phys. Rev., 104(1), Oct. 1, 1956, p. 254-259. Errata are given in in Phys. Rev. 106(6), June 15, 1957, p. 1371; (b) T. D. Lee, Reinhard Oehme, and C. N. Yang, "Remarks on Possible Noninvariance under Time Reversal and Charge Conjugation," Phys. Rev., 106(2), 1957, p. 340-345.

2) C. S. Wu, E. Ambler, R. W. Hayward, D. D. Hoppes and R. P. Hudson, "Experimental Test of Parity Conservation in Beta Decay," Phys. Rev., Vol. 105, 1957, p. 1413
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Old 11-04-2005, 02:01 AM
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Me thinks

it works like this.



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Old 11-04-2005, 03:10 AM
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Old 11-04-2005, 05:59 PM
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And Dr. Nikola Tesla, who invented everything before anyone even thought of anything, described the new energy type he discovered in late 1890's, working for Edison. Later Dr. Tesla proved his theory of the new type of energy by building electric car that was successfully tested by US army and Westinghouse representatives. The car was drawing the energy from the air. There were no batteries in it.
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