Sailboat design 45ft?

[andreasmehlin]

You are probably right guys!

I have never been sailing before, but have been inspired by people like me - without experience doing a around--the-worlder. Some have built there own boat, some have bought a used boat and some with very thin budget who has bought a very small used boat.

I think it´s not the sailing which is tempting me, it´s the adventure...and always have your "home" in your bag...the freedom that nothing is keeping you locked.

The reason I want to build my boat is
1) I get what I want
2) Cost (vs. a used boat and not as many worries that things will break down vs. a used boat). Conclusion: less worries on sea with a new boat. And can also make a profit when selling it.

My thought was/is taking a year off and just concentrate on the building.

My budget is in 3 years from now about $170 000. That shall include boat, insurance and pocket money/travel cash for 3-4 years.

I have had the thought buying a smaller boat just to get in touch with sailing and boats....but the biggest problem is TIME.

[hansp77]

I don't mean to be too critical, but,
your reasons

1) I get what I want
- the problem is you don't yet know what you want, and probably won't until you get some sailing experience.

2) Cost (vs. a used boat and not as many worries that things will break down vs. a used boat). Conclusion: less worries on sea with a new boat. And can also make a profit when selling it.

Ok it could work out considerably cheaper. But then again it could not. How much is your time worth? Especially considering that you will have to learn everythin as you go, and mistakes take time and cost money. Frankly as a first time build, I would probably be more worried about my own work breaking down rather than a boat that is professionally built- ie a used boat.
Less worries, maybe, so long as everything went exactly as it should have. So long as you are not constantly worrying about something like that coat of epoxy where you got the mix wrong. Also, if safety is the worry, or seaworthiness, then I am sure that the experts in the know can direct you to some very very safe used models. And then when you find a boat you think you want to buy- get a complete survey done on it.
Making a profit when selling it could also be a problem.
I am no expert, but from what I have heard, selling a home built (non-professionally built) boat is hardly one of the easiest things to do. Also, insuring becomes more of a problem, and as far as I know, more expensive.

I don't know about time-frames, again someone with a lot more experience than me will be able to tell you, but completing a 40 plus foot boat in one year, when it is your first build, may be pretty optimistic. I have read it somewhere here, but there is a loose formula regarding the labour hours required for different sized boats as well as how many people will be required. Are you planning on employing someone to help? Because if I remember right, a forty plus footer regularly requires more than one person.

Now I hate to be one of the "nay sayers"-
But I would seriously consider buying rather than building. At least for your first boat.
Or alternatively, if you really want to build your first boat, then as many wiser people than me have advised in this forum, start with a smaller boat. To go straight into a boat of that size is a little crazy.

It sure would be an adventure though.

[andreasmehlin]

honestly...the right word that describe me is vacillating

Maybe it ends up with buying a smaller used boat. But I don´t think I want to go lower than a 40ft boat.

Everything is far from making any decisions yet. Just thought which makes my plans a way one the road.

[Paul Scott]

Check out Robert Perry's site. (Google Robert Perry Yacht Designers.) The Nordic 44 might be kind of close to what you're looking for and it has made some circumnavigations by folks I know. As far as cost, maybe a used one?
Boats are insanely expensive. I had one designed (by Bob) and built (by Schooner Creek). A 'small' 40'. Yikes. Your budget , even done by yourself sounds more like $250K minimum. Big sails, big mast, big everything. Big bucks. On the other hand a very cool big dream.

Paul

[SailDesign]

If you are new to sailing, what makes you think you have the knowledge to builds a sailng boat? It is not like building a house, more like a car. Do you have the ability to see when the design is lacking in strength, or the knowledge to realise that for YOUR intended purpose, the layout is wrong.
Consider the challenges of building a car when you don't know how to drive. That is where you are now....
Apart from that, it is a lovely idea.
Steve

[Wellydeckhand]

Ok...... US$ 170,000- boat and travelling expense? I think you are crazy if you are still in Europe........ for 40+ft and equipment and world sailing expense.

But for 70,000 you'll get a Phinisi Schooner with a small engine......... bare minium interior..... and furniture at 45ft with sail of course and anker

Then again better craftman would cost more..............


WDH

[andreasmehlin]

sailDesign

I think it is a very good comparasion.

I had the thought that it would be like building a house. But now when you say it...it is probably more complex.

ONE thing I am sure of, I am going to sail my trip around the world. I have a couple of years before doing any conclusive decisions

[Vega]

Originally Posted by Karsten

Hi Andreas
From what I gather you don't have much sailing our boat building experience and you want to sail around the world in your home made boat. If I was you I would forget about the boat building bit and buy myself an old fibreglass boat and go sailing. You will need the experience and that way you will come up with a list of things you want in your go around the world boat.
.

Sound advice
If you want to learn faster have some practical seamanship courses, I mean the ones provided by the RYA or similar (I bet the Swedish have them too).

Go with experienced sailors and stay a week in the ocean with them.
You will see that it is well spent money and that after that you will be surer of what kind of boat you want.

[andreasmehlin]

Vega:

Sounds like an advice to follow.

[Theodora]

I am building a Sparkman & Stephens 45ft yawl in New Zealand from a 1945 design. The hull will be strip planked with Kauri and 2 x 45 deg. laminates placed on laminated frames, giving a total of 32mm thick. I believe 30mm to be the minimum to be seaworthy.
I have changed the interior design slightly to improve the living and give more bunks - now 7.
I think 45ft is the biggest that a short-handed crew could manage, even with winches and a split sail plan etc.
As far as costings are concerned, I can tell you the following:

Hull, deck and interior - all finished USD320,000
Equipment - USD100,000
Spars and sails - USD40,000
Installation of equipment - USD40,000
Painting - USD 8000

and that is tight costing. Do not think you can do it for any less.
New built boat prices are a function of the cube of the length, almost.
To build this boat in the USA would cost >USD1m. In Europe, I could imagine it would cost Euro750,000.

[Jonas63]

http://www.dixdesign.com/didi40cr.htm

http://www.dixdesign.com/vick45.htm

http://www.yachtdesign.com.br/01_por.../mc41sk_01.htm

http://www.stadtdesign.com/products/vds4184241.htm

and my favourite

http://www.tedbrewer.com/sail_steel/orca.htm

However I think a 45 foot is too much for an inexperienced amateur boatbuilder.

Personaly I would never go above 32 -34 feet , but if you are young and restless... :-)

[Ari]

Hallo Andreasmehlin, looks like I'am not the only dreamer..welcome..if your budget is tight for Europe market..come to Asia..a few thousand islands to explore..a few thousand bars and pubs to crawl..a few thousand temples, churchs,mosques and so on..and so cheap..why not get a good 70 footer Indonesian built wooden boat..plus 3 crew..sail this region when ever you are free...3 months a year is good enough ?There is charter program that can be arrange when you are not around..That USD200K is real hugh value here..I attach this site for you to see what the others had done. You can get a boat..have fun..sailing..dive..and still keep your job and house back home in your country..when you are ready to sail on your own and circumnavigate.. than only you go for it..!
I had attach this hyperlink before in other thread.
http://www.jawasoft.com/merdeka/about.html