Relation between skin friction and speed

[bearflag]

I am skeptical of friction reducing paint.

The only things I have seen that look remotely promising are super hydrophobic coatings like http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/Ne...h/17030902.asp

or

air lubrication ala.. http://www.hydrofoils.org/Acs/acs.html

Either way, it isn't going to be as simple as spray painting the bottom of your boat... you are more than likely going to have to redesign the whole thing from scratch.

[sorenfdk]

Guys;
Henrik hasn't delivered/been able to deliver any proof that this new product works. That does not necessarily mean that he's selling snake oil!
We have all been presented with products that promised the world to us, but didn't deliver. That does not necessarily mean that Henriks product doesn't work!

Henrik;
There is no general mathematical relation between skin friction and speed. Too bad, but that's the way it is.
Please come back if/when you can publish tests that prove the effectiveness of your product. Or better: Call me (or my company) - we'd like to get a head start!

Couldn't we all just leave it at that and get on with our lives and business? This isn't funny any more!

[tunnels]

Yes slippery coats are just a part of the answer and would need to be used in combination with design of the actual surface and design of the surface areas . Like aircraft shape can and does enhance the flow along and around different parts of the air craft and even to this day theres still a lot of learning going on.

[terhohalme]

Friction formula of William Froude:

Rf = 161*(0.00871+0.053/(8.8+L)*Sw*V^1.825 (N)

where
Sw is wetted surface (m2)
V is boat speed (m/s)
L is waterline length (m)

The only problem here is, that the friction is not between boat surface and water but between water molecyle layers near surface. And you just can't change friction between water molecyles easyly...

[Vulkyn]

So the problem is not in the 1st water layer in direct contact with the hulls surface, but the 2nd in contact with the 1st layer? (figuratively speaking)

[tom28571]

Originally Posted by Vulkyn

So the problem is not in the 1st water layer in direct contact with the hulls surface, but the 2nd in contact with the 1st layer? (figuratively speaking)

And the third and the fourth and so on.

[ancient kayaker]

More discussion here frictional resistance Froude's formula

[MikeJohns]

Originally Posted by Vulkyn

So the problem is not in the 1st water layer in direct contact with the hulls surface, but the 2nd in contact with the 1st layer? (figuratively speaking)

Laminar flow is the desired condition, with laminar flow there is a very small shear zone and small level of surface vorticity. Laminar flow trips due to a couple of factors, one is due to flow and shape creating what's termed an 'adverse pressure gradient' the other is due to surface roughness, length of body and relative velocity.

A smooth surface delays the transition due to surface roughness.

If you take the pressure gradient factor out then it's well described, for example in pipes the surface roughness factor is a significant player in flow rates. The same principles apply.

[wardd]

how about a layer of air injected?

[Vulkyn]

Originally Posted by MikeJohns

Laminar flow is the desired condition, with laminar flow there is a very small shear zone and small level of surface vorticity. Laminar flow trips due to a couple of factors, one is due to flow and shape creating what's termed an 'adverse pressure gradient' the other is due to surface roughness, length of body and relative velocity.

A smooth surface delays the transition due to surface roughness.

If you take the pressure gradient factor out then it's well described, for example in pipes the surface roughness factor is a significant player in flow rates and Cf is an important factor. The same principles apply.

I am sorry but i have to get a dictionary and boating terms just to figure out what you just said ..

Forgive my lack if knowledge :S

[HardWare]

I coated my boat's hull with a hydrophobic silicone mix(not as good as rough teflon, but cheap) and it does make a measurable difference.

Making a hull slippy works great, but I've always wondered if you could make a design more efficient with turbulence, a hydrodynamic golf-ball effect.

I remember seeing a pretty odd design years ago which appeared to used a bubble film on the hull.

[ancient kayaker]

Originally Posted by HardWare

I coated my boat's hull with a hydrophobic silicone mix ...

From all I've read about silicone it is going to be difficult to paint over it.

[MikeJohns]

Originally Posted by wardd

how about a layer of air injected?

It works and the more air you can introduce the better the result